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  1. #7301
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    ON3P SKIS Discussion

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    Last edited by bskin; 11-11-2019 at 12:06 AM.

  2. #7302
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    Quote Originally Posted by bskin View Post
    Looking for a new home if anyone is interested
    We heard you the first time.

    This isnít the place. Take it to gear swap.

  3. #7303
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    Today I got out on a set of Wrenegade 114ís that I bought over the summer. Frontside blue groomers on weak legs were not the ideal testing ground but I left more than a little impressed. They were much less work than I had worried they would be. Super stable and but you can still get the tails to break free easily. I am typically on wider setups but these were the best carving skis Iíve been on in some time.

    I have demo binders on them for the moment. Played with positioning a bit. Really didnít like +1 it could be I would need to detune more but the balance of the ski just felt off. -1 was okay. Iím only 165lbs... if I was 200 I might consider it but I needed to really intentionally be driving the tips of the skis to make -1 work. Right on the line felt perfect. They reward you when you get your weight forward, but being more centered also felt fine for some turn shapes.

    Fun setup! Excited for more days on real terrain.

  4. #7304
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    ON3Ps excel in the marine schmoo up and down the coast. The weight helps punch, deep rocker for surf. The BG shape works less well in dry continental fluff
    Iíve read this several times here and I totally get what your saying and Iím donít doubt that they are more effective in coastal mank than other skis, but I just donít get that the shape is less effective in the dryer conditions. I had a pair of 191ís that I skied in CO and I thought they were friekin rad, would (will) bang again.
    Fear, Doubt, Disbelief, you have to let it all go. Free your mind!

  5. #7305
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    X2 I also think the BG works just fine and dandy in continental dry powder. It does, like every other ski I've tried with a similar waist width, tend to prefer a minimum speed to get it floating. If you need to float through dry powder on low angle terrain you should buy a wider ski, which is why I also own Protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    All ye punterz! Leave thine stupid heavy skis in the past, or at least in the resort category, for the age of lightweight pussy sticks is upon us! Behold! Keep up with the randocommandos on their carbon blades of shortness! Break thine tibias into spiral splinters with pintech extravagance!

  6. #7306
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    Quote Originally Posted by eskido View Post
    I just don’t get that the shape is less effective in the dryer conditions. I had a pair of 191’s that I skied in CO and I thought they were friekin rad
    can confirm...and agree wholeheartedly

  7. #7307
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    I'm not saying they're bad by any means, no way, they still rock... just that they're a small bit harder to distinguish from other pow shapes in lighter snow.

    Their genius appears when the density climbs, when the ski geometry really reveals its advantages.
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  8. #7308
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    ^^^ I hope so.

    I've got a pair headed to CO.


    In search of the elusive artic powder weasel ...

  9. #7309
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    ON3P SKIS Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by pfluffenmeister View Post
    ^^^ I hope so.

    I've got a pair headed to CO.


    Depending on ski style you should love em. Prior to owning ó borrowed a pair from @N1CK and skied them on a day with 10Ē at The Basin and that sealed it - bought the first pair I found.

    Now having moved from CO back to WA 100% agree with aforementioned comment. Hero snow is exactly that... NW Cement shows all the flaws in ski design.


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  10. #7310
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    Pfluff I believe is a buck fiddy. He will not experience the issue us heavy dudes do with the 191 in lighter snow.

    Quote Originally Posted by SkiLyft View Post
    NW Cement shows all the flaws in skiing technique.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post


    Fify
    That, too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    That, too

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    Heads up: just posted my 2016/17 K108’s 186cm on the Gear List.

  14. #7314
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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    X2 I also think the BG works just fine and dandy in continental dry powder. It does, like every other ski I've tried with a similar waist width, tend to prefer a minimum speed to get it floating. If you need to float through dry powder on low angle terrain you should buy a wider ski, which is why I also own Protests.
    This has had me pondering a C&D, but my BGs are way too heavy for me as it is.

    I've made peace with the fact that Scott will never make a 9.5 Lb. C&D.

    Call me a weenie, but even that's too heavy for me to ponder lugging up a skin track.

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  15. #7315
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    Hey maybe if we keep asking, he'll make a dope lightweight wide RES pow touring ski
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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    Rowen - did sombody buy the C&Ds yet? Absolute steal imho.
    Still up, price recently lowered.

    BTW, Good Lordy - quiver dreams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    Hey maybe if we keep asking, he'll make a dope lightweight wide RES pow touring ski
    We can dream. I wonder if there's a critical mass number. I can't remember what the number was for Supergoats.

    ... Thom
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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    We can dream. I wonder if there's a critical mass number. I can't remember what the number was for Supergoats.

    ... Thom
    It was low. Scott estimated total sales of 10. But then again that was a ski they were already making for Dennis IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    This has had me pondering a C&D, but my BGs are way too heavy for me as it is.

    I've made peace with the fact that Scott will never make a 9.5 Lb. C&D.

    Call me a weenie, but even that's too heavy for me to ponder lugging up a skin track.

    .. Thom
    fwiw:
    unmounted my C&D's were 2383g (this year's) 10.5 lb per pair.
    BG's were 2595g (older, 14/15 maybe)

    Get some C&D's!! Lighter than advertised weight of BG in 189. You'll get used to it in no time. Besides, the amount of float you get breaking trail with them offsets any extra weight for an overall easier skinning experience

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    I donít want to redrill...but I would put shifts on my C&D in a second.
    wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
    Zoolander wasn't a documentary?

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    My 18/19 184 C&D's came in lighter than expected at 2240 grams. I put tectons on them and did quite a bit of touring with them last season, and I never felt they were too much of a hassle and totally worth it (deep days). At least they're quite a bit lighter than my BG's.

    I'd love, love, love a lighter RES touring ski though. I'd buy one in an instant.

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    Rotations on my C&D.
    Every ski is a touring ski, if ya tour on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiddleOfNight View Post
    fwiw:
    unmounted my C&D's were 2383g (this year's) 10.5 lb per pair.
    BG's were 2595g (older, 14/15 maybe)

    Get some C&D's!! Lighter than advertised weight of BG in 189. You'll get used to it in no time. Besides, the amount of float you get breaking trail with them offsets any extra weight for an overall easier skinning experience
    That's not as bad as I thought, but still a pound and a half heavier than what I'm dragging up the hill right now (182 GPOs - Enduro/Carbon @8.9Lbs.).

    If I remember correctly, my 2014 Goats (186) come in at right about 10.5 Lbs.

    I suppose I could mount Kreutzspitze GTs (322g/pair) or ATK Haute Routes (BD Helio 200) on 'em! Then they'd only be about 150g heavier than the GPOs with Vipecs.

    I wonder if 10 people would make Scott jump, or if knocking a pound off them would involve too much core prototyping to make it worth his while.

    If I saw more inbounds huge days, I'd say screw it and mount Shifts or Alpine bindings on them.

    It's something to think about.

    [edit] Evo shows 'em at 2330g (no weight shown on the ON3P site).

    I feel myself weakening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupreChicken View Post
    I don’t want to redrill...but I would put shifts on my C&D in a second.
    #MeToo
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    Sign me up for a BG or C&D tour version to throw my shifts on.

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