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  1. #11476
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    ^^^^If dedicated jib, go 102. No doubt 110 will be fun, but if you're trying to "learn" jibs, a little thinner is better IMO. A 102 On3p is still going to be decent in pow too, better than other 102s


    I'm gonna get a little crazy here, I had some beers. I already have some freshie 2021 189s BGs, but if I had cash my first or second ski purchase for morenmore, would be some 192s. I'm drooling over those. Differentiating in feel in different RES shapes is a hobby within itself. is so entertaining and informative for future ski design

  2. #11477
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    ^^ you know what they say about old dogs…


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  3. #11478
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    I'm still learning new tricks. I'm not that old. You aren't either. Gunsmoke buddy

  4. #11479
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiLyft View Post
    ^^ you know what they say about old dogs…


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    They've eaten alot of dog food?

  5. #11480
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    Quote Originally Posted by AEvospace View Post
    I'm still learning new tricks. I'm not that old. You aren't either. Gunsmoke buddy
    Haaaa very true, ski the 189 goats man!! They kick ass (you know that). Ultimately it’s up to you how you spend your money but I’ve moved to a “1 out — then 1 in” ski buying methodology. Keeps me honest.


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  6. #11481
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    Quote Originally Posted by NW_SKIER View Post
    They've eaten alot of dog food?
    And table scraps, and coyote shit, and shit out of the trash can…


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  7. #11482
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    in case anybody is waiting for info on the new Mango 90/100/110s
    Quote Originally Posted by Railslayer69 over at Newschoolers
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    Iggy also had this to say wrt how long the custom sale will be on this fall
    Quote Originally Posted by Iggyskier over at Newschoolers
    Until we get stock skis...in stock. At least mid October. Until that is case we'll give people chance to customize at a discount. Though we're selling so many customs right now it's a catch 22 as it keeps pushing stock out.

  8. #11483
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    Can anyone tell me how far from center the rec mount point on a Billygoat 118 is? Looking at a tour layup as a pow touring rig. I tend to prefer skis with more traditional mount points.

  9. #11484
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsupdoc View Post
    Can anyone tell me how far from center the rec mount point on a Billygoat 118 is? Looking at a tour layup as a pow touring rig. I tend to prefer skis with more traditional mount points.
    Billy Goats are in the ballpark of -9cm from true center. Operating off memory here, and it could have changed a little bit with the 118, and I think does change based on length, but it's for sure a more traditional mount point - not a forward, progressive mount.

  10. #11485
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    roughly 9.5 or some such (varies ever so slightly by size), so pretty traditional - if not silly far back as some of Völkl's designs

  11. #11486
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    ... and just spoke to iggy.

    Woodsman has the exact same rocker lines as the BillyGoat.

    Mount points for WD are +2cm from the same length of BG.

    192 BG is -9.75
    187 BG is -9.5

    192 WD is -7.75
    187 WD is -7.5
    Bump for whatsupdoc
    life ain't guaranteed, love your people while you can

  12. #11487
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    ON3P SKIS Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    Bump for whatsupdoc
    I will be a sum a bitch as I missed this post and just took my new 192 110 Woods and compared them to my 193 SGs and it would take a very discerning eye to tell the diff between the two rocker profiles…. As I have already said I am super stoked on the 102 and 110 Woods and have not been this excited to ride a ski since my OG 191 Billy’s…!


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  13. #11488
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    Thanks everyone

  14. #11489
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    Just got a new addition to the quiver today, 192 BG 118. Can't wait to try them out!

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    man - those BG118s pop like crazy. They must look pretty damn sensational on snow

  16. #11491
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiJitsu View Post
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    Just got a new addition to the quiver today, 192 BG 118. Can't wait to try them out!
    Sweetness. Would you please tell me more about the 110 Pros? About to mount some up. Esp as I am an unabashed M102 and Wren 114 fan.

    Edit: see your previous notes now, apologies.
    Last edited by bry; 09-17-2021 at 08:26 PM.

  17. #11492
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    Quote Originally Posted by bry View Post
    Sweetness. Would you please tell me more about the 110 Pros? About to mount some up. Esp as I am an unabashed M102 and Wren 114 fan.

    Edit: see your previous notes now, apologies.
    Glad you found the post. If you loved the M102, you're going to love the 110 Pros! I demoed a lot of gear last year and the 110 Pros are by far my favorite. Interested to hear your thoughts on how they compare to the Wren 114.

  18. #11493
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    WD102s arrived a couple of days ago. Pretty much feels exactly as Iggy described them.

    The camo topsheet combined with the texture makes them feel and look like camo-jeans

  19. #11494
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    Quote Originally Posted by sf View Post
    WD102s arrived a couple of days ago. Pretty much feels exactly as Iggy described them.

    The camo topsheet combined with the texture makes them feel and look like camo-jeans
    The wooland camo WD102 club is small yet distinguished.
    Training for Alpental

  20. #11495
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sessiøn View Post
    The wooland camo WD102 club is small yet distinguished.
    An acquired taste for connoisseurs
    You had some time on a pair of protos last year, or am I wrong? Any comments / comparisons?

  21. #11496
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    Classified's with a Custom WD108 + P15 for $1100 ('nuck bucks. Ref. a basic custom WD110 with no sales translates to ~$1150 up here). Now to figure out at what model year and amount of use this becomes a good deal (I know when it's not a hard "no" - last season; <= 1 weekend; no jank flex/build options; & BSL matches on the line). Or whether the changes made to the 110 make it the better hole-filler in the quiver.

    Someone please remove the temptation, I already bought one ski this year.
    Last edited by SnakeMagnet; 09-21-2021 at 01:10 AM.

  22. #11497
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    these?

    They are a good deal if 1) you can't afford to get a new pair of 110s, 2) you want the previous flex pattern aka slightly stiffer back halves, 3) this choice of custom tops happens to be what you would have gone for had you ordered yourself, 4) P15 Forzas is the binding you would have gone for too, and 5) if they are mounted in a way that works for you.

    I would save up for a pair of new 110s unless all five conditions are met, but that is just my reasoning. Or if you can get them at whetever less than 1100usd if one of these conditions are not met, but you still cannot afford a new pair and is dying to get on WD108s. The previous design is still a good ski

    Looking at the BG+Shifts the seller also lists - man, those 2018 BG topsheets look sooo good. I can't remember ever having this much second guessing my choice of custom tops - damn you 2018 BG and DuckCamo!

    And, SF - what is this, the post 5% of your skis thread? Happy to hear that the flex is as advertised and something that you seem excited about. I firmly do believe that the new WD102 is the ski I wanted R10s to be, so here's to hoping that we are correct

  23. #11498
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    Beggars can't be choosers, but I'm not begging yet. Alas. I balked at a very unscoured BG that was half that price this spring; can't yet justify it with the snowfall here and inflexible schedule...

    Mantras are too stiff and speed hungry to daily in the trees where I usually end up when it's dust on crust, and the amount of times I found myself making excuses to bring out the cat no matter the low tide was concerning. I got the red specifically for those days, but there's that obvious gaping hole in the quiver and i'm a utilitarian. WD's been thirsted over for 2 years now.

  24. #11499
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    if I may be a bit blunt, are your posts meant as internal deliberations posted in this thread or something you actually expect feedback on?

    If the latter, be specific - what skis do you have and like, what conditions do you ride and what balance point / stance do you prefer in skis. What is it you want feedback on? WD108 tails vs what gen mantra in low tide tight tree conditions?

    There are bound to be mags in the thread that can provide feedback on the latter, but not if the posts are cryptic inferences to a unknown quiver or boils down to personal deliberations about price point acceptability.

    yeah, I am a bit cranky sat here with some fractured ribs, but I do not understand your posts.

  25. #11500
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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    And, SF - what is this, the post 5% of your skis thread?
    LOL. No, but if I were a rational human being it might be 5% of the quiver. Unfortunately I'm not, and it's probably more like 0,5 % - or less.

    But yeah, I'll post up the current ON3Ps. The rest will have to wait a bit longer

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