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  1. #8726
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orthoski View Post
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    I didnít get the impression there was a change in mount point for existing models. I read it as the sidecut changed for the upcoming 116 model, which thus changed the mount point for that model.

  2. #8727
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    "minor sidecut tweak"

  3. #8728
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quandary View Post
    "minor sidecut tweak"
    Yes. Makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CascadeLuke View Post
    Great update Scott. Both news wise and thoughtful product line adjustments.
    Do I read between the lines- any expectation the CD will drop in weight with new tour core? Maybe land 2350 ish?

    ETA reread your post and see I was more inferring and hopeful than comprehending. Crossed up the new layup process for just stock and not across the line.. modified question
    We wanted to keep them really damp so kept the 100% bamboo core. We did a run of custom topped CD already that avg weight came in 2400, which I mean....if we're talking this heavy an extra 50 grams is a bit whatever. We'll kick the tires on some different options for 2022 but a lot of other models took up our attention this year. With a low volume model like the CD, you can always email us and ask us to pick a pair that is on the lighter side of average.

    Quote Originally Posted by grinch View Post
    They say "prototype" on them, whatever that means.
    90% of the time just means it was made with a generic topsheet that is not size specific. SIA sample skis, demos, etc. Usually by the time graphic is ready ski design is done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quandary View Post
    Another question for Scott, I have yet to mount my 19/20 Woodsman 116s, does this mean that it is your suggestion that I should move my mount point back .75cm from the notch?
    Quote Originally Posted by Joey311 View Post
    I was wondering the same thing about my new WM96.
    Not necessarily. With a mount change comes a change to sidecut, core profile, binding mat...so your Woodsman are designed to be skied at that recommended line. The vast majority of people skied them there this past season. We wanted to shorten the tail just slightly and felt - at their current stiffness - a bit more tip to drive would be better compared to a bit more playfulness/balance, hence the change. 0.75cm isn't a huge change here, so I wouldn't stress about it to much. If you like a more directional ski, move it back. If not, stick where it is.
    Seriously, this canít turn into yet another ON3P thread....

  5. #8730
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    Quote Originally Posted by iggyskier View Post
    We wanted to keep them really damp so kept the 100% bamboo core. We did a run of custom topped CD already that avg weight came in 2400, which I mean....if we're talking this heavy an extra 50 grams is a bit whatever. We'll kick the tires on some different options for 2022 but a lot of other models took up our attention this year. With a low volume model like the CD, you can always email us and ask us to pick a pair that is on the lighter side of average.
    That makes sense - good suggestion. Look forward to the new art drop and custom sale.

  6. #8731
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    And now for the 20/21 lineup. Hope the link works: http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=00199rBr...jiBeV7lSd8GQ==

  7. #8732
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    Big news from the Gear:30 podcast!

    Of course I would buy the Billy Goat for pow touring right before they release the actual Tour and 50/50 edition lmao

    Also Scott sounds burned out You'd think announcing the next lineup with all these changes would be exciting stuff. I hope ya taking care of yourself man.

  8. #8733
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    Ohh... a 50/50 Billygoat 108 sounds mighty interesting. Also, seems like the tour core might end up quite a bit lighter than I thought! Very exciting times. Scott, you'll be seeing some of my money this fall for sure.

  9. #8734
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    Stoked for the touring lineup (and predicted weights!) - been waiting many moons for this! Can't wait to get on a pair and walk up some stuff.

  10. #8735
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    Looks like 184 Billygoat 108 Tour will be sub 1800g or so... ON3P will be getting some of my stimulus money when they start custom orders. Really stoked Scott!

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    Shit thats sweet. Cuts out any thinking on that. Now hope the cad claws back a bit on the usd before fall

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  12. #8737
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    Really excited about a tour woodsman 108 over here. In house cores is super cool, even if Scott don't sound super stoked.

  13. #8738
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    I wore my ON3P shirt today, good luck I guess.

  14. #8739
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    Quote Originally Posted by eSock View Post
    Big news from the Gear:30 podcast!

    Of course I would buy the Billy Goat for pow touring right before they release the actual Tour and 50/50 edition lmao

    Also Scott sounds burned out You'd think announcing the next lineup with all these changes would be exciting stuff. I hope ya taking care of yourself man.
    For what it is worth, I think I'm usually pretty level & matter of fact (or boring) on these things. I'm just not a rah-rah person. Also Jonathan and I talk outside of these podcasts, so a bit hard to get in a sales/marketing type mood here (though I know I likely should). It is not unspoken between Jonathan and I that he thinks I need some caffeine before we talk.

    For full transparency, though, if I did sound tired (I never listen to these) - that is because, on top of my normal day to day, I've been basically a cat nurse about 4-5 hours/day the last two months working to stabilize/comfort one of my cats with hyperthyroid and failing kidneys (to a modicum of success thus far at least). I have a whole treatment protocol every morning/evening (fluids, oral meds, syringe feeding + time to monitor his breathing/heart) and while we've started seeing marked improvements over the past 2-3 weeks, it is chewing up a lot of my time & energy. So that + dealing with Covid + trying to get new line all ready to launch definitely has me running on pretty limited sleep right now. I'm hanging in, though, so thanks for the positive thoughts. Pretty important time to make sure we're all taking care of ourselves as best we can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrgha View Post
    Ohh... a 50/50 Billygoat 108 sounds mighty interesting. Also, seems like the tour core might end up quite a bit lighter than I thought! Very exciting times. Scott, you'll be seeing some of my money this fall for sure.
    I really don't follow the weights of other brands much (should probably check those out), still seems like we'll be on the heavier end of things, but internally we're all really happy on the balance of weight and stability. We had a few lighter core variants we were also testing that didn't include bamboo, but we were pretty dead set to make bamboo work.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdeaner14 View Post
    Stoked for the touring lineup (and predicted weights!) - been waiting many moons for this! Can't wait to get on a pair and walk up some stuff.
    Quote Originally Posted by Muggydude View Post
    Looks like 184 Billygoat 108 Tour will be sub 1800g or so... ON3P will be getting some of my stimulus money when they start custom orders. Really stoked Scott!
    As soon as we crank out a few more pairs to up our data set will post weights. Just a bit behind there from Covid.

    Quote Originally Posted by snowaddict91 View Post
    Really excited about a tour woodsman 108 over here. In house cores is super cool, even if Scott don't sound super stoked.
    I probably sounded more bummed than I am. Call it more just laughing at how things work out. Just some context - but we've been building these proto cores in house for about 3 years, and there has been a lot of discussion with more than a few suppliers about them. You don't bring a process in house unless there is inherent value in doing so (and core blanks aren't exactly a super complex process). Until maybe mid March, we literally never had a serious conversation about bringing them in house (over the past 2-3 years), so for us to decide to start building production cores ourselves would have proven quite the shock to everyone here from even 3 months ago.
    Seriously, this canít turn into yet another ON3P thread....

  15. #8740
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    Quote Originally Posted by iggyskier View Post
    I really don't follow the weights of other brands much (should probably check those out), still seems like we'll be on the heavier end of things, but internally we're all really happy on the balance of weight and stability. We had a few lighter core variants we were also testing that didn't include bamboo, but we were pretty dead set to make bamboo work.
    At sub 1800 grams for a 184 cm 108 mm type ski, you're right in there with the other brands (my 184 Wildcat 108 tours are 1750 grams). Personally, I wouldn't want this type of ski to be any lighter.

    Am I in the ballpark assuming that 50/50 will add around 150 grams on top of the new tour layup?

    Edit: And best of luck with your cat. My late cat also had kidney issues..

  16. #8741
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    Other than your rather understandable frustration regarding Covid-19, you sounded more or less the same as last year imho Iggy. Sad to hear that your feline companion is a bit worse for wear. I hope its state improves and it def sounds like it is in capable hands!

    As for the touring line that you will offer for 2021 - I think it sounds like a 100% bulls eye wrt what people have been wanting; ON3P's awesome shapes in a lighter, yet still bombproof construction. The wider offerings is def in my sweet spot wrt weight - aka enough mass to ski great for full on charging, yet light enough to do big days (aka the quiver slot where I currently use VŲlkl V-Werks Katana).

    Hell, I've heard that for instance VŲlkl sell a lot of their touring skis - like their BMT line - statesides to people who want a lighter ski with full on alpine bindings for resort use. As such, I would not be terribly surprised if that could be a rather substantial segment for you as well. Hell #2, it could be that the other 50/50 option (thinner edge/base and standard core/lay up) could be what those people are looking for - I dunno.

    I guess we should cue some differing opinions wrt the shedding of weight in the time to come though. I for one really like the idea of optimizing the construction wrt build integrity / sturdiness and ride feel first&second, with weight as a close third. A full on bamboo construction with extra thick edges and bases will luckily never be feather weight (at least within ON3P's performance envelope), but still strike a good compromise wrt mass vs lightness. I think the new construction sounds terrific.

    I can't wait to see the rest of the line up and what graphics are in store. I have yet to decide if any new skis will join my quiver, but if so it will only be to "merge" several skis into a single ski. A wood102ti could be such a ski.

  17. #8742
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    I've been checked out for a while. So the skinny goat is coming in a tour layup? I still miss my custom skinny goats from several years back and the friend I gave them to due to mounting hole issues loves them.

  18. #8743
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    Iggy....
    How does the new Wren 102 compare to the old 102, with regard to geometry, flex etc?

  19. #8744
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    I've been checked out for a while. So the skinny goat is coming in a tour layup? I still miss my custom skinny goats from several years back and the friend I gave them to due to mounting hole issues loves them.
    Sounds like stock in tour layup, custom in any layup.

    Standard layup on that sounds like a Goldilocks ski to me...will be ordering.

  20. #8745
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    ON3P SKIS Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by sf View Post
    Iggy....
    How does the new Wren 102 compare to the old 102, with regard to geometry, flex etc?
    From what he said in the podcast, itíll be more similar to the current wren than the old 102. They took last yearís 96/108 wren ti, merged them at 102mm and increased taper to help it initiate turns on firm snow.

    The wren 110 ďproĒ sounds like essentially the new version of the old 102/114 with the flat tail and ti laminate. Really looking forward to checking out that ski.

  21. #8746
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    Me too. The 110 pro sounds awesome.

    I’m a little worried about the skis getting lighter as I think ON3P has always been in a sweet spot for weight (and most of my on3ps are on the heavy side of the stated weights too), but I will reserve judgment until I ski them.

    The custom milling of the cores is really cool too. The carbon layup changes always changed the ski feel for me so really excited to be able to play with stiffness without changing that.

  22. #8747
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    I'm stoked by ON3P's getting lighter, just like Moment has done in recent years (I know Scott and Luke are friends so maybe not a coincidence?). I've always loved the pop of those bamboo cores but the swing weight in tight / steep spaces isn't always optimal, especially later in the day when you're tired and/or early in the season when your legs aren't in ski shape yet.

  23. #8748
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    The Wren 114 is still my favorite resort ski of all time, curious about the Wren 110 Pro still worried about the 186 length, I have had zero complaints with the 114 for the 189 length.

    I think I would likely choose something else from the new line to add a little more diversity to the quiver. I still have not skied a Billy Goat which is seems like the more logical addition. Or one of the 102 under foot variations. Excited to see the topsheets!

  24. #8749
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tailwind View Post
    The Wren 114 is still my favorite resort ski of all time, curious about the Wren 110 Pro still worried about the 186 length, I have had zero complaints with the 114 for the 189 length.

    I think I would likely choose something else from the new line to add a little more diversity to the quiver. I still have not skied a Billy Goat which is seems like the more logical addition. Or one of the 102 under foot variations. Excited to see the topsheets!
    If the charger wren is your favorite, SuperGoat or go home. IMHO

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    Thats been on the radar to for sure. The On3p people seem to press me toward the normal Billy Goat, instead of the supergoat, every time I message with them though.

    Iíve wondered how a Super Goat with Res would pivot in deep snow compared to the Wren. On tired legs, in tight steep trees the Wren is a bit of work, but thatís mainly a 3pm issue... I have some Line Pescadoís I use for playful and tight terrain, but Iíve been interested in a chargy ski for deep days that at least isnít more work than the Wren at slow speeds. Ideally a little looser and more drifty as well. Super goat, Billy Goat and Cease and Desist have all been pondered.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackattack View Post
    If the charger wren is your favorite, SuperGoat or go home. IMHO

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