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Thread: ON3P SKIS Discussion
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03-13-2018, 08:04 PM #3626
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03-13-2018, 08:05 PM #3627
These skis go for sure. This in a 108 underfoot would likely be enjoyed by a number of you haha. It was technically off the PF Profile, which is in between the stock and tour layup, 19oz and double 6" carbon as Jay mentioned. I don't think we've ever made a pair with that core/layup before. Definitely a ski that likes speed.
Seriously, this can’t turn into yet another ON3P thread....
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03-14-2018, 12:20 AM #3628
Do you think the Supergoats are too much of an overlap for my 191's? Kind of kidding
But how much different is the stiff version of the Supergoats compared to my 191's? What changes would I notice between the two?
I really love the 2016 top sheets, those are the Oregon topos eh?
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03-14-2018, 09:03 AM #3629
5'7" 145lbs - good skier, ex racer blah, blah, blah
home hill Big Mountain so tight trees and few open bowls but I do want this ski to perform at speed.
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182 blizzard wrc cheater gs skis
177 x-drive 8.8
177 cochise (pre taper)
185 volkl two
looking at a wren 108, so 179 or 184.
haven't been on an on3p since my og prebuy 186 billygoatsa positive attitude will not solve all of your problems, but it may annoy enough people to make it worth the effort
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03-14-2018, 09:09 AM #3630
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03-14-2018, 12:29 PM #3631Registered User
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03-14-2018, 12:45 PM #3632
Agreed, 177 Cochise = 179 Wren
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03-14-2018, 12:58 PM #3633
I’ve never wished the Cochise was smaller, just worried with the rocker the 179 would ski shorter than the 177 Cochise.
a positive attitude will not solve all of your problems, but it may annoy enough people to make it worth the effort
Formerly Rludes025
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03-14-2018, 01:02 PM #3634
With almost all of the big name brands, you can add 1-3cm in length to the ON3P's in relative comparison.... since they measure correctly. So a 179 ON3P is like a 181 Blizzard. At least usually, from what I've compared, I'm sure there are exceptions.
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03-14-2018, 01:10 PM #3635
I went from a 185 Cochise to a 184 W108, for whatever that is worth.
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03-14-2018, 01:54 PM #3636
My 186 K108 is 4-5cm longer than my 185 Cochise.
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03-14-2018, 02:25 PM #3637Registered User
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Just pulled the trigger on the Wren 108 in a 184 after battling between the Kartel 108 in 186 or the Wren for a few weeks after skiing them both. Couldn't pass up the discount and wanted the current model.
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03-14-2018, 04:01 PM #3638
I haven't been on the 179 W108, but if you like your 177 Cochise, I'll echo what others have said and suggest the 179. I got the 184 W108 this season to finally replace my first year 185 Cochise, and it skis similar. Doesn't feel short at all. I'm 5'11" 165lbs.
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03-14-2018, 04:07 PM #3639
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03-14-2018, 05:30 PM #3640
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03-14-2018, 11:22 PM #3641
I'd love a modernized (Kartel-ized) version of my old stiff Jeffrey 110's. Keep the extra carbon, elliptical sidecut, 25m radius, but add the Kartel's reduced tail rocker profile.
Skied the K96/K108 since and definitely prefer the longer radius on the old J110's...it might be time to start your own thread to gauge real interest with real dollars to spend on this "dream ski" of yours; it has my attention.
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03-14-2018, 11:46 PM #3642Registered User
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^^^ X2 It has my attention too.
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03-15-2018, 10:56 AM #3643Registered User
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03-15-2018, 11:02 AM #3644
ON3P SKIS Discussion
I’ve got a lot of days on both, same sizes. The Cochise is slightly better on groomers, the Wren 108 is much better in powder (mainly the tips plane significantly better and slice back to the surface whereas Cochise has tip dive issues). Both are great in chop with a slight edge to the Wren. Similar skis, both like wide open spaces and going fast but are still easy to pivot in tight spaces.
I ski 135 degree chutes switch to the road.
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03-15-2018, 01:42 PM #3645
I would disagree with the groomers part. The first year Cochise to me felt pretty lifeless on groomers, likely due to the lack of camber, and it mostly just wanted to go fast. But I have other skis for groomers, so I never really thought much of it. The Cochise was good in chop, if you skied it the way it wanted to be skied, and I found it fun in pow, though perhaps on the deepest days it didn't float as well as something with softer / more rockered tips.
I think the Wren 108 does everything the Cochise does, but better. It has some camber, and I actually like driving it on groomers, if I find myself on groomers on that ski. It's good in the woods, it's good in open pow fields, it's good in chop, and I have decided I don't need a wider pow ski anymore. The tips float very well, which is something I value, as I like to drive my skis.
If I had to pick something the OG Cochise was better at, MAYBE it has a looser "slarvy" feel due to the flat camber / full rocker profile. But overall, the W108 is amazing.
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03-15-2018, 01:45 PM #3646Registered User
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opinions on Steeple 98? looking for a good skiing ski for colorado BC
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03-15-2018, 01:54 PM #3647
I have no opinion on the steeple 98. But if you're looking for a similar ski that I can highly recommend, the Praxis Yeti is a winner. I love mine. Been touring on them for a few years now.
My steeple 108's showed up today. I'm excited to get out and try them. Probably going to jump in on the pre-order thing for the shift binding and make them a do all travel ski.
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03-15-2018, 02:40 PM #3648
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03-15-2018, 03:03 PM #3649
Really liking my 102 Steeple for touring in MT, but don't know that I would want to go much narrower and I'm not sure if the 98 has RES which I really like. If I was ordering from ON3P today I would definitely consider the 108 Steeple since it's not much heavier than the 102. These are not light skis, but not crazy heavy, and so very very good on the down. I have a pair of Elan Lhotse skis for my light/skinny long tour setup.
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03-15-2018, 08:14 PM #3650
Stevens Pass demo this Saturday the 17th if any WA mags want to go hop on a set of the 18/19’s and try for themselves! Top of the rope tow, we’ll start taking credit cards and ID’s at 8:30.
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