ON3P SKIS Discussion

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

My thoughts here.

I have the ripper 110 Jeffery and can confirm the edge hold is better than the usual rocker so I do not think its a gimmick. However On3ps are not torsionally stiff this is what lends them to be so good in shitty snow. They will absorb and are easy as hell to push around. However, that lack of stiffness makes them suffer a bit when things are firm firm. Are they impossible to ski on ice? No. Am I laying trenches? No. Can better skiers do it? Probably. Are they predictable? Absolutely.

Coming from Golf and getting in to skiing in my mid 20s, I quickly realized that skis are like putters. Putters lend themselves to different stroke arcs (different stokes for different folks). They also use different metals and inserts to produce different feel of the face (Firm/Soft). Some putters are better on poana and bent grass where others feel better on Bermuda. Just like some skis feel better with PNW snowpack and others work better in the firmer east coast. There is no one putter or brand that fits everyone. Same with skis.

Point being ON3P won't work for EVERYONE. But they work damn well for those who jive with them. Figure out what you want out of your ski then purchase.

I am a Titleist/On3p/HL whore and I'm ok with it.

[skuff]

My thoughts here.

I have the ripper 110 Jeffery and can confirm the edge hold is better than the usual rocker so I do not think its a gimmick. However On3ps are not torsionally stiff this is what lends them to be so good in shitty snow. They will absorb and are easy as hell to push around. However, that lack of stiffness makes them suffer a bit when things are firm firm. Are they impossible to ski on ice? No. Am I laying trenches? No. Can better skiers do it? Probably. Are they predictable? Absolutely.

Coming from Golf and getting in to skiing in my mid 20s, I quickly realized that skis are like putters. Putters lend themselves to different stroke arcs (different stokes for different folks). They also use different metals and inserts to produce different feel of the face (Firm/Soft). Some putters are better on poana and bent grass where others feel better on Bermuda. Just like some skis feel better with PNW snowpack and others work better in the firmer east coast. There is no one putter or brand that fits everyone. Same with skis.

Point being ON3P won't work for EVERYONE. But they work damn well for those who jive with them. Figure out what you want out of your ski then purchase.

I am a Titleist/On3p/HL whore and I'm ok with it.

^^^ Agree with K1m ^^^

My Jeffrey 108 isn't a race ski, but it's fun as hell trying to dig into the ice and get down to the finish line faster than I did before

That mentality is most likely why I'm using 25+ year old Mizuno blades when I golf. My handicap indicates I should be using more forgiving irons, but when I hit the ball properly using blades, it's a buttery-soft magic that happens.

My putting sucks, maybe I should be looking for a new putter

[paal]

My 187 BG110s stock layup are the best skis I have ever owned. Scored some 2014s end of last season and added some current 118s to the lineup so excited to compare the three different generations. Early feedback on the current 118 sounds good.

Does HL make a ski with tails that disappear like a BG but still charges and can be driven? I know their FR series are super pivoty and bite an edge better than a BG, but they require a more upright stance. I moved on from my FR110s because of this and that they had too much tail for my liking.

Also, as big of an on3p fan as i am, I would never consider the brand for a high angle groomer ski. Especially on the east coast. The narrow Wrens and Woods are all great low tide skis but aren't gonna bite, nor finish a turn along the skis radius or effective edge like a blizzard, volkl, etc. That same "dullness" is precisely what makes ON3P so great when there is any accumulation on the ground.

My favorite ski of all time is also the BG. (currently own pre asym regulars & 108 tours)
Like you, I have ordered the FR110 (delivered soon-ish I hope) and I am a little worried that the mount point will be too far forward for my liking. Where did you mount yours? Would be great with some input from a fellow BG-enthusiast!

HLs closest thing would be a RC116 mounted at -10.5. (No RES though and a little less tip/tail -ratio.)
I was tempted to try those, but I just love my BGs so much; don't really see the need to experiment with a potential replacement.

[Doremite]

My favorite ski of all time is also the BG. (currently own pre asym regulars & 108 tours)
Like you, I have ordered the FR110 (delivered soon-ish I hope) and I am a little worried that the mount point will be too far forward for my liking. Where did you mount yours? Would be great with some input from a fellow BG-enthusiast!

HLs closest thing would be a RC116 mounted at -10.5. (No RES though and a little less tip/tail -ratio.)
I was tempted to try those, but I just love my BGs so much; don't really see the need to experiment with a potential replacement.

Hey Paal, take your HL questions to the correct forum That said, FR110s have a generous range of mount options. Go -10.5 if you dig a more directional feel.

[2FUNKY]

Cocoapuff and paal. Dropped you two a pm.


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[Bandit Man]

Need to mount up my 191 Jeffrey 110's this weekend in anticipation of a PNW Christmas refresh. Is the consensus just to mount at recommended and ski them the way they were intended? I'm warming up to more progressive mounts, so not afraid to make adjustments to my style to get more out of the ski. Hoping to keep them loose and agile. Thanks!!

[EWG]

Need to mount up my 191 Jeffrey 110's this weekend in anticipation of a PNW Christmas refresh. Is the consensus just to mount at recommended and ski them the way they were intended? I'm warming up to more progressive mounts, so not afraid to make adjustments to my style to get more out of the ski. Hoping to keep them loose and agile. Thanks!!

I've got my Jeff 108s mounted at recommended. I'd definitely do that. I think Jeffs are designed to be skied a very certain way and if someone finds themselves not mounting at recommended due to skiing style it's better to just move to Woods. Which is why I have both. Different days, different plans, different skis.

I think you'll like them at recommended. Like you say, find the skiing style that lets the skis be the fast, fun, poppy, slaver/surfers they want to be.

Hope that helps.

[jacob_dbu]

Need to mount up my 191 Jeffrey 110's this weekend in anticipation of a PNW Christmas refresh. Is the consensus just to mount at recommended and ski them the way they were intended? I'm warming up to more progressive mounts, so not afraid to make adjustments to my style to get more out of the ski. Hoping to keep them loose and agile. Thanks!!

I'd say the best idea is to keep the amount of tip in front of you similar to other semi-progressive skis mounted at -7/-8. Also mount up a low delta binding. If you're pitched too far forward and don't have enough tip in front of you it can be very awkward. It very much depends on your boot/binding setup. The more upright you are the more fine it is to ski it at rec.

Personally I'll probably mount up my 186 Jeff 118s at -1cm.

[skuff]

I'm enjoying my 191 Jeffrey 108 mounted @ recommended. Had fun using them on very firm snow up to ~8" fresh on a soft base. Never had an opportunity to ski them in anything deeper

At that mount location they're very easy to maneuver in all types of terrain

[f=ma]

My thoughts here.

I have the ripper 110 Jeffery and can confirm the edge hold is better than the usual rocker so I do not think its a gimmick. However On3ps are not torsionally stiff this is what lends them to be so good in shitty snow. They will absorb and are easy as hell to push around. However, that lack of stiffness makes them suffer a bit when things are firm firm. Are they impossible to ski on ice? No. Am I laying trenches? No. Can better skiers do it? Probably. Are they predictable? Absolutely.

Coming from Golf and getting in to skiing in my mid 20s, I quickly realized that skis are like putters. Putters lend themselves to different stroke arcs (different stokes for different folks). They also use different metals and inserts to produce different feel of the face (Firm/Soft). Some putters are better on poana and bent grass where others feel better on Bermuda. Just like some skis feel better with PNW snowpack and others work better in the firmer east coast. There is no one putter or brand that fits everyone. Same with skis.

Point being ON3P won't work for EVERYONE. But they work damn well for those who jive with them. Figure out what you want out of your ski then purchase.

I am a Titleist/On3p/HL whore and I'm ok with it.

Meanwhile the golf pro at my club keeps a bent pipe around and then proceeds to out-putt everyone with it...

I guess his point is stop worrying about equipment and ski/golf more? Or maybe buy more lessons from him? I dunno

[Eastside]

I played Mizuno blades for a few years. I hit em OK but I was not good enough to use them though they helped my ball striking. With their current tune, I cannot stand my J110s on the groomers. I am a better skier than golfer. Putting is my score saver, generally.

[kid-kapow]

skiing on ON3Ps that is actually relatable:

[kid-kapow]

My favorite ski of all time is also the BG. (currently own pre asym regulars & 108 tours)

While the RC116 looks freaking amazing and is a ski I've asked Iggy to make in the past, yet the only reason to replace the pre-asym BGs for it is to gain on piste prowess. They will not have the same hoovertoes feeling, but still prob be amazing soft snow chargers.

My late pair of pre-asym BGs are AMAZING soft snow skis imho. I just sold them. I want similar skis with a more rear-ski bias. Enter Jeff118. I have faith.

I would not replace pre-asym BGs for RC116s unless you are really particular about their ability to do GS turns on harder snow at the cost of effortles pivotability.

I might have made a poor decision selling the BGs - they are great.

[2FUNKY]

While the RC116 looks freaking amazing and is a ski I've asked Iggy to make in the past, yet the only reason to replace the pre-asym BGs for it is to gain on piste prowess. They will not have the same hoovertoes feeling, but still prob be amazing soft snow chargers.

My late pair of pre-asym BGs are AMAZING soft snow skis imho. I just sold them. I want similar skis with a more rear-ski bias. Enter Jeff118. I have faith.

I would not replace pre-asym BGs for RC116s unless you are really particular about their ability to do GS turns on harder snow at the cost of effortles pivotability.

I might have made a poor decision selling the BGs - they are great.

Have you skied the zf116?


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[phatty]

I might have made a poor decision selling the BGs - they are great.

The only reason I will get rid of my old BGs is if they fall apart. I'm always on the lookout for old 191/189 pre-asym Goats. Have not found a ski that fits my style as well, but always have to keep an eye on what's available as I know these won't last forever and there's only so many pairs out there. Plus I have to compete with all the other crazy fans when they do come up.[emoji23]

[Sessiøn]

skiing on ON3Ps that is actually relatable:

I can't relate to Josh Anderson in any way shape or form.

[fleaches]

My favorite ski of all time is also the BG. (currently own pre asym regulars & 108 tours)
Like you, I have ordered the FR110 (delivered soon-ish I hope) and I am a little worried that the mount point will be too far forward for my liking. Where did you mount yours? Would be great with some input from a fellow BG-enthusiast!

I'm in the exact same boat, curious if any BG lovers have opinions

[2FUNKY]

Interesting peeps are trying to compare a BG to the HL FR11[emoji646].


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[TeleBeaver]

Meh!
User error.
Who buys not great @ carving hardpack skis and then complains about it's non carving on hardpack abilities

I didn't buy a billygoat or jeff108, these are wren 96s we are talking about. They should be able to hook up on groomers. I have 0 complaints about my asym cease and desists, they are probably my favorite skis of all time.

[kid-kapow]

First day out in my new J108s and J118s. Both performed admirably in conditions that played to their strengths. Very happy camper.

Have you skied the zf116?

Do you need an answer to that question?

The premise of the answer was that "the only reason I would replace a ski THAT I LOVE" would be that you are looking for it to do something slightly different.

sure - I could refrain from giving my opinion on a ski I have not skied, even if its construction and design hardly makes deducing how it skis the greatest conundrum in the known universe (especially with all the in depth descriptions in the various HL threads - but I guess you would have to ski em to understand the reviews as well right?).

Anyway - I was drunk as a skunk writing a post that could have been more nuanced and based on limited knowledge. Seems pretty par for the course for this forum

Interesting peeps are trying to compare a BG to the HL FR116.

How so?

[beeeom]

The latest gen BG 118 (released last winter) is a damn near replica of my 2013 BG's (greatest ski ever)

I need to revise my statement as I had really only skied the 2025 BG's in pow and chopped up pow. They are great in these conditions. They feel like the old goats.

But Today I skied the 2025's back to back with my old bearpaws. Conditions were variable wetter crud and some refrozen rain crust with 10cm of fresh heavier pow on top. What I would describe as classic conditions for BG's to dominate.

The new goats were super locked in. It was hooky snow for sure but The tails were hooking excessively and I just couldn't flow well. My legs were burning I was getting manhandled by the skis. Pretty frustrating as I felt like these conditions are where BG's should truly shine.

Then I switch over to my ol' faithful bearpaws - Same length and similar mount. After about 7 turns to figure them out again it clicked. They were so bloody loose that I could do any turn shape on demand. Legs felt fresh and I was skiing waaaaay better. Zero hook in the tails and seemed to be able to hold an edge better on the firmer bits. I seriously went from punter to pro by switching back to the OG goats.

Maybe the new Goats need a serious detune, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they are not on par with the bearpaws in manky variable conditions, which in my mind are what the ski is all about. Any fat heavy ski is good in pow, but BG's are the ski that turns mank into pow. For me, they missed the mark on the latest version... Better keep hoarding I guess...

[SkiLyft]

Bummer to hear that, I was hoping they got lucky and un-fukt the goat.


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[SkiLyft]

Side note; wife went from the Jessie’s to Mfrees today. We skied till three and I had to drag her off the hill!! She was absolutely ripping the funky/energetic pow today.

She was to the place where she almost quit skiing after two years of feeling like she forgot how to ski. She’s stoked out of her mind and can’t wait to ski more!

Should have pulled her off the Onneps last year!


Pics for stoke

[2FUNKY]

So rad dude. Best i’ve seen her ski ever. Jessie was dah wrong ski fosho!


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[EWG]

The grin is awesome!!