ON3P SKIS Discussion

[MoeSnow]

Thank you for the in-depth comparison, that is actually super helpful. Interested to hear how people like their J124s too... I like how agile the J118s feel for their size, and I have yet to feel the need for more float.

Since getting on the right lengths I have yet to find an ON3P ski I dislike.

[aanev]

How did you get on with your BG118s? I really enjoyed that ski - much more so than the aforementioned BG110

I like them a lot . Like really a lot... Having owned Steeple 112 I was surprised to find out how this type of skis has evolved.
Steeples were awesome in powder and chop, but in shittier conditions there was a struggle. These newer RES skis (BG118) handle such conditions a lot better while still maintaining the same feel in powder.

Thank you for passing them to me

[Going Coastal]

The original plan was to mount them with ATKs, but changed my mind - Vipecs went on instead. They weigh 200gr more a binding, but their added comfort / ride feel makes it worth it imho. I might have to shim the toes a bit (or the heels if I decide to use them with Tecton heels), but will give them a spin before I do.

Curious about your shim strategy if you slide on some Tecton heels. Aren't they the same delta as Vipecs?

Nice additions though, beautiful skis and the Rasta looks great with that topsheet!

[kid-kapow]

Curious about your shim strategy if you slide on some Tecton heels. Aren't they the same delta as Vipecs?

Nice additions though, beautiful skis and the Rasta looks great with that topsheet!

nope - there is a 3 or 4mm difference between Vipecs and Tectons (can't recall specifically right now), so 7-10 degrees. The heels are floating with the Vipecs, while they are resting on the brake assembly with Tectons, so the heels are a lot lower with Tectons. The delta is 14mm with Vipecs I believe, 13mm with castified pivots and 10 with Tectons. The number is not that important - just how I measure it, from top sheet to top of lugs - but the relative difference is. I can't recall what the delta is with ATKs, will have to remeasure.

The original plan was raw p15s to be honest - I might still swap the painted parts - but the F3s look nice as well. Nice with some colors and some contrast - raws might be a bit too clean

[Going Coastal]

Cool, makes sense. SKIMO had them listed with the same delta so I just assumed thats what it was. I have both, but have never swapped heels around.

I did remount my BG110 with Wardens for the upcoming season, so Im interested how much difference there will be moving from the Tectons. If anything I think the lower delta will improve it, but I guess I will see.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

186 Jeff 118s in the finds for $499.

[forumskier]

Some high camber BG prototypes too

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Some high camber BG prototypes too

Someone should by the 191s so I don't.

[forumskier]

Those BG protos and the Jeff 118s would look refreshingly blue with the new pivots that are starting to pop up for preorder

https://www.evo.com/alpine-ski-bindi...ings-2025-.jpg

How far the other way on camber could you go with BG protos? Would flat camber BGs be too greasy for all but deep snow?

[Power_Sauce]

Couldn’t resist adding some BG tours to the quiver at the blem price!


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[forumskier]

Nice score Power Sauce!

I mounted these bad boys as well - stock jeff118 186 mounted at rec.

Attachment 495762

It will be very interesting to try them - they are more different to BlackOps118 than I anticipated. They are a couple of hundred grams lighter, has less tail splay with very similar tail rocker depth, and where the tips have more splay that rises more sooner. They also have very limited camber (a fair bit less than BO118s) as well as more aggressive tapering in front of / aft of the widest points of the tips/tails. Their flex pattern is nice and round, if not terribly stiff - seems supportive though. These should absolutely slay fresh snow. It will be interesting to see if the differences in taper and splay together with a slightly softer flex and less camber makes up for the BO118s weight and very nice suspension (layup, camber, flex pattern) in variable.

High expectations for sure - they seem extremely dialed imho.

Wow those look so good! I would buy the ones in factory finds if I didn't have Blackops 118s. If I skied more dry powder I could easily see having both in the quiver.

I bet the Jeff 118s will float a lot better and be more surfy in spring slush.

[aanev]

https://shop.on3pskis.com/collections/ripper-concepts



...and now I'm contemplating a pair of Woods 92...

[Bandit Man]

Some high camber BG prototypes too

More camber on a BG seems like a terrible idea to me...unless of course you want them to ski dramatically different than past iterations.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Since the cambered was lowered for this year I wonder if the the higher camber is just the previous generations camber profile.

[forumskier]

More camber on a BG seems like a terrible idea to me...unless of course you want them to ski dramatically different than past iterations.

Don't get me going, I'll get in trouble again lol. The high camber BGs are for the Rockies shredders and for Kid Kapow's experimentation. Of all people, I cannot complain about people wanting to mess with the BGs.

I want an AEV Soupeygoat now, that's a slightly softer 189 2017 BG with flat camber. I've come full circle... Can't use my ARG IIs as much as I want to, and they are a bit heavy (close to 2750g/ski) and stiff like Monster 108s. They're gonna need 30 more pow days at least before broken in. BGs when done right are the next best thing to R/R, and so much more versatile. I'd buy something like the older designs (2015 or 2017) in a heartbeat. I can't wait to hear more reviews of the updated version.

[CallMeAl]

I have a 187 BG 117 (dazzle camo, 2 mounts) and 187 Woodsman 110 tour (1 mount) that are collecting dust. PM if interested

[kid-kapow]

The high camber BGs are for the Rockies shredders and for Kid Kapow's experimentation.

LOL - for science!

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

186 Jeffery 100 ripper vs 186 Jeffery 110

Findings and Initial thoughts.

Pulls about 187.1 and the mount is about 4.65 back from center and flexes ever so slightly stiffer.

The profile feels like it will for sure be better on firm as well as a bit more drivable for a freestyle ski.

I’m very excited to get on this thing early season at Alta to get a feel for this mount and profile. I think they will be killer for how I like to Ski.


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[kid-kapow]

... Findings and Initial thoughts. ...

My wallet would like to say a big "fakk youse".

I was doing so well in resisting buying more skises, but that dam(n) received a few catastrophic cracks earlier today...

Oh well - For Science! continues. I guess I can eat stuff out of the freezer for the next month...

[phatty]

186 Jeffery 100 ripper vs 186 Jeffery 110

Findings and Initial thoughts.

Pulls about 187.1 and the mount is about 4.65 back from center and flexes ever so slightly stiffer.

The profile feels like it will for sure be better on firm as well as a bit more drivable for a freestyle ski.

I’m very excited to get on this thing early season at Alta to get a feel for this mount and profile. I think they will be killer for how I like to Ski.


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Very interested to hear thoughts. A Jeff 110 Ripper could be an MFree competitor if it can handle firm well.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Very interested to hear thoughts. A Jeff 110 Ripper could be an MFree competitor if it can handle firm well.

My custom ripper 110 will arrive next week. So will have a comparison this season.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

My wallet would like to say a big "fakk youse".

I was doing so well in resisting buying more skises, but that dam(n) received a few catastrophic cracks earlier today...

Oh well - For Science! continues. I guess I can eat stuff out of the freezer for the next month...

I send your wallet, my deepest sympathies.

[SkiLyft]

Very interested to hear thoughts. A Jeff 110 Ripper could be an MFree competitor if it can handle firm well.

Maybe on paper, the metal+rubber in the Mfree has way different energy transfer over bamboo.


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[kid-kapow]

Maybe on paper, the metal+rubber in the Mfree has way different energy transfer over bamboo.

sure, but imagine a bamboo + (partial) metal + ripper jeff108. Titanal to add torsional precision, bamboo + glass + extra thick bases/edges to provide a smooth ride, further enhanced by said metal. I think it could be something special.

I made a pretty half ass attempt at trying to convince Iggy to build me a pair of such a ski, but alas - I can't afford to go custom this summer so sized up on a pair j108s instead. To be fair, I never heard back from Iggy if that was something they were willing to do and at what cost, and I know that their stock of titanal is running low - so it could've been a non-starter. The idea gets me all kinds of excited though - especially with the goat graphic I made for the NS worst top sheet ever contest (that everybody else hates and that I love).

[Bandit Man]

Maybe on paper, the metal+rubber in the Mfree has way different energy transfer over bamboo.


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100% agree.