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Thread: ON3P SKIS Discussion
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05-11-2020, 11:35 AM #8651
Even without the tour variant, just a slimmed-down version of the beloved goat model would probably have legs (even if on some level it 'makes no sense'....I know people are daily-ing goats when half those days would be better on a narrower version). Wildcat>WC108 seems like it set a good precedent for that.
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05-11-2020, 12:45 PM #8652Registered User
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I've got my 186 BG mounted @ +1.5cm (and love it) so I'm definitely in the more centered stance camp. I'd probably mount the kartel/jeffery on the line. The "long tails in tight stuff" is something to consider on the 191 for sure... Sounds like the 186 is ideal for me, whereas the 191 would be totally fine. So what it really comes down to is what I can get a good deal on.
Thanks!
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05-11-2020, 01:11 PM #8653
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05-11-2020, 03:40 PM #8654
Can’t go wrong w Wrens. Shroom should buy mine
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...-Wren-98-184cmUno mas
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05-11-2020, 04:53 PM #8655
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05-11-2020, 09:13 PM #8656
ON3P SKIS Discussion
It’s a great ski. Brought it up before but landed a pair of steeple 108 184 [BG shaped] with BG layup and it was my most used ski last year. Have a newer veneer 189 BG to compliment - and even still. Some of that has to do with teaching my son (cause they stand up well to him crossing over them). Could ski with him and then when it was time for free laps it’d have a versatile ski to hit anything in the pnw.
If indeed 108 BG becomes a thing it will be popular. I’d be tempted to 189 this new one.Last edited by CascadeLuke; 05-12-2020 at 08:59 AM.
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05-11-2020, 10:52 PM #8657Registered User
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I'd purchase a Billygoat 108 with a lighter touring core in a heartbeat. I spend more time than I should hauling my standard layup BG's uphill all winter, so a lighter and slimmer offering would be just the ticket for me. In the meantime I have to say I'm enjoying the Wildcat tour 108's a lot, although I'd prefer slightly more.. heft.
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05-12-2020, 05:54 PM #8658
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05-15-2020, 11:12 PM #8659
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05-16-2020, 01:57 AM #8660King potato
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I skied a 108 and 116 woodsman this year for a few days. They were really great, especially the 108, but I never seemed to be able to get them to work for me on groomers as they felt really hooky and sketchy at times, even after checking for base flatness, giving them a new 1/1 tune, detuning more etc.
They did get better over time but they ended up still a bit hooky. Unfortunately I didn’t get to ski them enough to see if I it fully went away.
If i’m in moguls or off piste snow the skis rip and feel great aslong has I’m skiing them hard and putting them over on edge. I only felt this on groomers.
Did anyone else experience something similar? I’ve never had a problem on any of Scott’s skis from BG’s to kartels to wrens.
Edit: Scott definitely thinks this is a tune issue, especially since I have been on his skis for 10 years and skied probably 15+ pairs of On3p’s in that time. Scott is helping me resolve the tune issue, as usual for on3p customer service.Last edited by mr_pretzel; 05-18-2020 at 12:52 AM.
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05-16-2020, 07:44 AM #8661Registered User
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It's funny you mention this. I previously hadn't ridden an ON3P ski that I didn't immediately click with, ranging form OG Jeffrey 110s to the Wren 88s. Each has advantages and disadvantages (the hook-free tail of the Jeffreys, the carving ability of the Wren, etc). The last day of the resort season, however, I trialed a pair of Woodsman 96s on a pretty good groomer day out East. In softer, man-made snow on the side of the trails they felt great but, on the actual corduroy, I have never been on a ski that felt so out of control at random times. There was a hookiness as the outside ski didn't want to turn inwards. Furthermore, Blister in their original Kartel review describes a pond-skipping feel on the ski that was downright scary when conditions got firm - I can't say I've ever felt that on the Kartel/Jeffrey but boy did I feel it on the Woodsman, especially with a double fall line on a runout. It was only one day and I look forward to trying them again next season as the edges dull. I have respect for the collective experience on this forum and realize not everything good needs to be love at first sight, especially given how many people on this forum love that ski, I have a lot of faith in Scott's designs, and they did feel good on the soft but thicker manmade snow, etc. But it was different enough from other ON3P experiences that it gave me some pause.
Originally Posted by jm2e:
To be a JONG is no curse in these unfortunate times. 'Tis better that than to be alone.
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05-16-2020, 11:16 AM #8662
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05-16-2020, 11:25 AM #8663
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05-16-2020, 11:30 AM #8664
I’m a hack with a more forward, rather than centered stance. I skied 187 WD116s in pow, bulletproof, slush, mank, and everything in between this year and never really found them to be hooky. In fact, I was surprised at how well they railed groomers for being 116 underfoot.
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05-16-2020, 12:34 PM #8665Registered User
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Exactly why I'm not quick to dismiss them. So many people on this forum (not to mention Blister) love the Woodsman and so much of my recent experience has been on Kartels, that my guess is that it had more to do with a fresh, factory tune and a need to get used to a non-Kartel tail. I'm also talking about hard, out East groomers - on the manky, manmade snow that's closer to the PNW, they felt money.
Originally Posted by jm2e:
To be a JONG is no curse in these unfortunate times. 'Tis better that than to be alone.
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05-16-2020, 12:41 PM #8666Registered User
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Just for another data point I’ve skied the WM108 in just about all conditions this past season, including hard pack groomers (although west coast, not east coast ice), and I haven’t had any issues with hookiness. I really couldn’t be happier with this ski. I’ve owned the Wren and Kartel in the past, and for me the WM hits a perfect sweet spot. I like it so much that I picked up the WM96 from the demo sale. I guess we’ll see how that does next season.
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I didn't see that last comment before I posted. Probably sounds like I'm beating a dead horse.
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05-16-2020, 01:36 PM #8667King potato
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See I totaly agree the Woodsman is a better ski than both the kartel and wren. I love it everywhere except when it feels hooky and I keep skiing it regardless og the hooky’ness. Just wish I could figure out why it does it. It’s really hooky like 6-8 inches infront of the toepiece.
Edit: Scott definitely thinks this is a tune issue, especially since I have been on his skis for 10 years and skied probably 15+ pairs of On3p’s in that time. Scott is helping me resolve the tune issue, as usual for on3p customer service.Last edited by mr_pretzel; 05-18-2020 at 12:51 AM.
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05-16-2020, 04:07 PM #8668Registered User
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My pair of wood116 is acting a bit strange. Strange as in off, not as in I need to figure them out. I have yet to determine if it is a tune issue or what is causing the strangeness.
I haven't skied my pair in a long being busy with other skis (and awaiting a remount), but was lucky enough to take them and a pair of recently aqcuired DPS Koala 119s out for some a-b'ing today. We were super lucky and had 10-15cm of fresh snow - snow that was frankly unbelievably good for being mid May (soft, not overly moist on top of hard, refrozen snow). We are also super fortunate that the lifts are running.
The main reason I bought the Koalas was to try em back to back with wood116s as a more burly R11 option. So far my take is that the Koalas are not some super burly ski that you need to be pro-skier to ski - that is, at least not my pair of 184s (yes, they are shorter than 182 wood116s) is not. The tails on the Koalas are loose and easy to break free, while the skis are still stable and can handle a lot - a lot - of speed. They are stiffer than wood116s overall and about the same weight. They are a lot of fun.
The wood116s on the other side were at time unpredictable and squirrely. They did strange things both at low speed and in deeper snow at higher speed. I dunno, I need to ski them more and check the tune.
So far I prefer the Koalas by a long shot, in spite of them being DPS, made in China and not nearly as good looking The initial finding is really quite unexpected and the reverse of what I expected going in.
While there area few differences, they still are kinda similar skis. The major difference is tail splay, but the where the Koalas both are stiffer in the tails and have more camber. The Koalas are perhaps a touch softer under the heel and a little bit toward the tails, but stiffer everywhere else. Both are mounted -.5cm (due to a previous mount on the Wood116s, and decided to just mount the Koalas at the same spot).
dunno why/if the pics rotated.
My plan for tomorrow - if I go skiing - is to A/B the Koalas with BGs.
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05-16-2020, 04:21 PM #8669Registered User
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Ah, so you skied the Koalas. I really had to restrain myself from not buying those from you (I saw your ad). I'd really like to try those.
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05-16-2020, 06:40 PM #8670
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05-17-2020, 07:37 AM #8671Registered User
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The ski fairy recently dropped this off at my house,
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05-17-2020, 10:30 AM #8672
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05-17-2020, 02:15 PM #8673
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05-17-2020, 03:11 PM #8674Banned
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Did ya'll ever think that maybe they're nothing more than perfectly average skis, or can you not even think over the furious fapping in this thread? Nothing like a circle jerk in an echo chamber to convince people something mediocre is actually great.
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05-17-2020, 03:25 PM #8675
Chill pill. Try one bud
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