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Thread: ON3P SKIS Discussion
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11-21-2019, 11:22 AM #7451
EDIT: SOLD
psa 14/15 Billy Goat grizzlycorn in gear swap:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...11#post5817211
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11-21-2019, 11:31 AM #7452Watch out for sticks.
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11-21-2019, 11:42 AM #7453Watch out for sticks.
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11-21-2019, 01:36 PM #7454
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11-21-2019, 02:12 PM #7455
Yeah, I got that "not, not working on it" comment, but I also know how these things go ... at least with my projects. I seem to find that my back burner projects continually get bumped back ... just about the time they surface for my attention. It's the nature of things, at least with me.
As far as my "research project" comment, in my experience, playing out "what-if" scenarios frequently has unintended consequences with attendant learning experiences (sometimes significant ones). My guess is that your curiosity will get the best of you ... sooner or later
You've clearly hit on a magic formula for burly skis, and as you said, there are quite a few popular skis doing the lighter weight thing, but with an approach that doesn't jive with your experiences and design sensibilities. With your production capacity being maxed (thankfully), I'd be pleasantly surprised if you came out with something within 18 months, but I'm prepared to be surprised ;-)
As @adrenalated said, how many people on this list will ultimately ante up if you were to release a light Steeple 8 months from now? 5? 10?
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11-21-2019, 02:17 PM #7456
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11-21-2019, 02:29 PM #7457Watch out for sticks.
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11-21-2019, 03:12 PM #7458Registered User
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I agree that the list of currently-available skis with these specs is pretty short/lacking. Prior Husume in the light build? I was more suggesting that the Steeple series might not need to be significantly changed from what it was to make quite a few people happy if it was made available again.
It would be interesting to know total production numbers/effort required to manage production/sales/TGR bantering from Iggy's point of view. The skis obviously didn't achieve the correct balance or we'd probably still see them being offered. This doesn't mean they were a bad ski, just that they didn't hit a solid enough chunk of the market compared to other skis in the ON3P line. Lots of people who bought them like them/hang onto them.
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11-21-2019, 03:16 PM #7459Registered User
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11-21-2019, 03:22 PM #7460Undertow
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If skis and bindings are that minty and with that topsheet I would go $500 shipped all day long... That is a very sought after ski and someone would be getting a killer setup... 186s very rarely show up for sale and not everyone is a clydesdale...
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11-21-2019, 05:55 PM #7461Registered User
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Thanks for the thoughts, going with Undertow's opinion to start. Public Spam Announcement, skis for sale:
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11-22-2019, 02:08 PM #7462
Super interesting discussion on Gear30 today. Specifically on ski weights and Moments new semi-cap. Sounds like they are saving loads of weight using traditional laminate design and sidewall (just less UHMW in the design) per Luke this still gives great Edgehold. No numbers were mentioned on specific weight savings but really got me excited about an application on a tour goat or similar ski.
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11-22-2019, 06:05 PM #7463Registered User
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Wren 114
Looking for someone to help me price my Wren 114, 184cm. Used 3 days last year. Fun ski, but I’m looking for something with a bit more pop. I’m huge fan of maple and metal.
Include Pivot 14s, or not.
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11-22-2019, 06:55 PM #7464
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11-22-2019, 10:35 PM #7465Registered User
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11-23-2019, 07:04 AM #7466
ON3P SKIS Discussion
Price is complicated. Post them on gear swap for the # of $s you would exchange them for and see what happens.
People who post sales asking for offers are usually not trying to first hook anyone up. Instead trying to see if someone will pay more than they are hoping for which irks me for some reason. Not what I am accusing you of doing here btw sort of just venting.Uno mas
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11-23-2019, 07:10 AM #7467
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11-23-2019, 11:16 AM #7468
yup.
Since it's post #1 for seller .. my .02:
In gear swap you can make a mag's day (or season) with a sweet deal on something they really want, and get a couple bucks toward what you really want (which you might find in gear swap for a sweet deal) - that's a rad thing man. I say post 'em up in GS for the very least amount you'd begrudgingly accept.
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11-24-2019, 09:17 PM #7469Registered User
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I get it, everyone wants the best deal possible, be it the seller, or the buyer.
I want to get the most for my investment and mags want the best price.
Thanks for the help guys!
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11-24-2019, 11:23 PM #7470Registered User
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11-25-2019, 12:38 AM #7471
I'd pump the brakes on this slightly - at least for our build. Even our thickest/longest sidewall only weights about 100g before it goes in a ski - at which point it loses something like 50% of its weight by the time it gets to the final product (I don't have exact number off top of my head, but it isn't a trivial amount). So, yes, as you thin the sidewall to account for a cap, you will be able to cut a bit of weight. But it wouldn't be enough to...say...make a previous Steeple layup light enough to be competitive.
The core is the ballgame. Everything else - in the big picture - is trivial.
One other note. The biggest driver in the move to a small semi cap for us wouldn't be weight, but labor. In terms of labor/ski, our topsheet sand/bevel process is the third most expensive part of the process (outside of basing & layup) and is very labor intensive. So, while there would be on effect on the skis weight, for us, the biggest benefit would come in terms of hours - which is the most valuable thing in production.
I'd also note we'll likely never build them again, so if this is your ski, at least from us it won't be out again, sadly (it's a much better ski than the sales let on). Though we did keep the assets to build them on custom.
Oh and Black Friday deals are now live.Seriously, this can’t turn into yet another ON3P thread....
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11-25-2019, 04:32 AM #7472
whats goin on
hearin rumors bout sumthins sumthin
like you took my mount master bro
and made the fng an edge master?
6 seasons as a coworker and it aint the same w/out him
your blessed hes as solid as they come for the tribe of ski bum
fix his damn fax connection so I can tell him
#sendsfbOn3pswag
oh and he'll mount for free he just loves it so much he doesn't even need to git paid"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
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11-25-2019, 01:43 PM #7473Registered User
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11-25-2019, 04:26 PM #7474Registered User
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Who is all running cast/pivots this year? Experiences?
Two more skip the last.
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11-25-2019, 04:44 PM #7475
ON3P SKIS Discussion
Ahh thank you for giving better insight on ski production and the specific details on semi cap as to what you actually gain.
Hmm wonder if Moment made the switch in part to to labor savings and now is justifying it through weight savings and top sheet durability.
Wife skied her J108’s today for a quick couple human powered laps on the local hill today and is STOKED!! New top sheets shed snow VERY well!
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