ON3P SKIS Discussion

[MHSP1497]

On a lighter note, my custom Billy's and my wife's custom Wren's should get pressed next week. Can't wait to get my hands on them and get the bindings mounted and ready for the season (yes, I mount my own f-ing bindings).

that is all.

[skiracer88_00]

I wonder if ON3P still has the 11/12 wren mold laying around. Any chance they would dust it off and make aev a ski?

[eskido]

May be just me but I think he reeeaaallly pissed himself off, they might actually do something like that for him but if they did, that'd probly just piss him off too?? Seems overly sensitive to his own actions

[Lindahl]

Im the opposite. I like bigger skis and big GS turns on firm snow. Since im not hooking them on any sort of deep snow.

At 215lbs, it should be fairly clear i need more ski, than 160 lb people..

TGR App deleted. You guys can go back to your wren sanctuary.

Again, what are you looking to get from a longer ski?

[2FUNKY]

Again, what are you looking to get from a longer ski?

Lift line cred?

[Gman]

My previous points were focused on the new wren 108. Im not buying a 108mm ski for sticky, maritime mank.. i have BGs, C&Ds or steeples for that.

The wren 108 is not as much a charger, what its billed as, as others in the market..you dont have to go to the sun to tell its hot.. i personally buy 108mm skis for firm conditions, but maybe thats just me

I think im allowed to criticize, i have personally bought and skied over 10 pairs of On3ps in the past 3 years..

Im ready to move on. This is the only obstacle ive ever encountered in my On3p wants and desires, so 1 out of 12 isnt so bad... but i will defend my cause if people keep bringing it up. Im fat and it would be nice for the wren series too have a longer, burlier 194 length added to the 98s and 108s, and add a 189 length to the wren 88.

I'm not one of the people who cares how people portray themselves in terms of their skiing ability. If you say you straightline everything, I don't have any issues with that. I also don't have an issue with you criticizing or saying what kind of ski you would like in the future. I think all feedback is important because it's how a company grows and continually improves. The part that I think is misleading is when you make declarative statements about a ski you have never been on. Skiing 10 pairs of a brand has no correlation to anyone's ability to say what a ski is and isn't when they haven't been on the ski. A fair/honest statement after a hand flex would be "Hey I'm 2xxlbs and the ski felt softer than Brand X which I prefer." Saying the wren 108 isn't a charger because it hand flexed softer than someone your height/weight prefers, that has the potential to be misleading for someone not following the whole thread.

[ScrewYou]

You don't have to go to the sun to tell how hot it is..

it wasn't just flex either, it's about rocker profile and weight as well. There are burlier options for people my weight if they want a charger. At my weight, I wanted something twice as burly as the vicik, to justify overlap. The wren 108 IMO, isn't twice as burly as the Vicik.

for lighter people, or if I didn't own the Vicik, I've said multiple times it'll be a great do it all charger. For me, it's just not going to allow the level of stability that some other skis can offer.. Im not ashamed of my statement. I'm a big guy, I'm am not a pro level skier. I know for a fact my weight will make the wren 108 feel like more a one ski quiver, than a all out supercharger. It is 80% due to my weight, and maybe 20% due to my skills. Whoever is turning this into me bragging, you're blind. This is TGR, where the fuck else can you talk about charging? Should I take it to epic ski? Also, this being TGR, I know for a fact some of you are much better skiers, so me bragging really would be a useless waste of time.

to people asking what I'm looking for in a longer ski, I have had longer skis before, and I like the level of purchase they have on hard snow. I like how stable they are, I like the feeling of being "locked in", that 195cm, significantly cambered skis give off. Specifically for hard snow.

If someone weighs 160-180lbs, and charges hard on 189-191cm skis, is it mind blowing for you guys, that someone who skis just as hard but weighs 200-220lbs, would want a 196?

i should have been more clear. This is about WANTS, not NEEDS.. I could ski on a 189 wren with no major issues. However, to justify spending money on a "charger", like the wren is billed as, I WANT to spend my money on a 194-196cm ski..and Something a lot more beefy. Not a versatile ski that can handle anything. I already have those.

[Sessiøn]

[Norseman]

[undertow2]

So well played and so spot on...

[tenB]

Fuck if that kid isn't killing my cause

[Adrgha]

Well, this should be interesting.

[Norseman]

Booyah. What length?

[ScrewYou]

Those look fun.. I may put beasts on my C&Ds. Your pic helped me sway that way, over alpine bindings.

Got the Vicik out yesterday, for my first time on snow in 8 months. Reminded of how great a ski it is. Easy, forgiving, quick, great in the air and fairly capable of skiing switch on firm. Despite all that, it has a surprisingly high speed limit, charging fast down firm steeps, and the runouts below filled with frozen chicken heads. Can make quick turns in bumps, or long turns when traffic allows. If the wren 108 is a more refined, harder charging version of this, then it will be a great do it all ski for more directional skiers that still like pop of natural terrain and have fun in the air.

After my experience yesterday, I am finding some appeal in a wren 108, in a 189 length. The 186 Vicik is slightly too short/soft for someone of my size to put total confidence in while charging, i can't drive the tips as much as I'd like. A ski that is this easy to ski, yet charges pretty damn hard, is so hard to find. It's great that On3p makes a ski like this. I like locked in hard chargers for sure, but the Vicik reminded me how fun it is to mess around, even on a directional charger.


I'll be getting on the wren 113s and Monster 108s tomorrow. It's pretty firm out here in the Sierra, so no doubt the monster is better suited, so I won't make any quick judgements on the wren. I'm sure it still charges hard nonetheless.. lets see how they compare to the 191 katana.

[Drunken Shytbird]

So, I'm looking at some '15 186 BG from an outfit in Singapore that still has them for 475 shipped & wanted to get some feedback. I'm 53, 178cm tall & 200lbs (CO Beer is killing me) advanced/expert. Last soft snow ski was 2015 190 Bibby. I liked it but always felt it too center mounted (mounted on the recommended line) & with too much tail for my old school race directional style. I plan to try a BG regardless & was wondering if I should just get the newer 184 and pay retail or get the 186 older one for way less. Both are 116 in the waist and look pretty close dimensionally.
How is this ski going to perform vs a 190 Bibby? I'm guessing the Bibby is closer to a Kartel 116? I think I'm getting too old to really charge super hard anymore, if I'm being honest here & my hucking days are pretty much behind me hence me wanting to drop down a length. I liked that the 190 Bibby could charge pretty good at moderate speeds in nasty variable, bust crust & mank & still rail groomers on the way back to the lift. I did get a little tip dive one time in 2' of very heavy wet snow with that ski, otherwise it was a great ski.

[whyturn]

BG is not a challenging ski it makes skiing trees easier. Can't compare to Bibby but I ski 186 as I get older and it's a good balance for me. I don't ski super stiff skis but have empire 127 with some titanal in them. I would get 186 and try it. At that price if it doesn't work you can recover funds and consider it a demo. Great ski and so fun in any powder at all. It is -7 mount I believe so not what I would consider center mountish.

[ScrewYou]

I personally think the BG is more forgiving than the Bibby, but still has just as high of a speed limit.

The bibby is better on firm snow, the BG is better in 3D snow

I can't wait until there's enough snow for my RES skis... so good.

[iggyskier]

So, I'm looking at some '15 186 BG from an outfit in Singapore

These guys?
http://salesportinggoods.com/product...Skis-2015.html

If so, that is just a scam website that copies evo. We don't have any dealers in Singapore. They also carry the ON3P x evo collab we did, for which only evo has ever sold.
http://salesportinggoods.com/product...Skis-2015.html

So yeah, don't trust that website.

As for the BG vs Bibby, I always felt like the Bibby falls in between the K116/JF 114 and the BG. Not as directional as the BG, not as jibby as the Katel 116. If you liked the Bibby but wanted something with a more traditional mount and a bit more soft snow focused, the BG is a good option.

[Drunken Shytbird]

HaHa, thanks Scott! I was only going to pay with AMEX, so they couldn't fuck me. But thanks again for saving me the hassle of disputing it. I like the graphics of this year better anyway.

Well, now that that issue has been put to rest...I'm still torn between the Wren in a 98 vs 108 for LL CO DD. I want to get back to a 2 ski quiver. I think it helps me to just ski one hard snow ski & one soft snow ski both from a financial perspective obviously, but a proficiency prospective as well: you just get better I think not jumping from ski to ski all the time IMHO. I skied the stiffer 15' Wren 112 184 in spring hero snow and I couldn't believe how much I liked that ski, but I'm just wondering if it has too much overlap with a 2 ski quiver with the BG because if it gets more than 4-5" I'll probably go to the BG. I have done most of my adult skiing living in Eden, Utard and so I never got used to bump skiing, but I have one 10 yo that likes to ski the shit outta Chair 1 in the moguls, so I need a ski maybe quicker edge to edge. I know this is heresy and I haven't demo'd them yet, but I'm thinking either the Wren 98's 184 or maybe even the 179?, or the 185 Enforcers because I'm going to have to ski some Chair 1 action if I want to ski with my Son on the Weekends. Otherwise, on weekdays/schooldays, my Wife and I will be off the Ridge on the Cat if we can, or at least out of the damn moguls. When we lived in UT we never skied moguls at Basin or Pow Mow- not enough skiers to make any and too much snow. Basically, trying to rebuild a quiver after moving back East for a yr due to job transfer and having stupidly gotten rid of most of my ski equip. It gets spendy really quick to pick the wrong skis, or even the wrong length for that matter. Anyway, thanks for the help here. I really appreciate the amount of expertise and lack of bullshit from the avg. skier on this site.

[sf]

HaHa, thanks Scott! I was only going to pay with AMEX, so they couldn't fuck me. But thanks again for saving me the hassle of disputing it. I like the graphics of this year better anyway.

Well, now that that issue has been put to rest...I'm still torn between the Wren in a 98 vs 108 for LL CO DD.

Still plenty of wren102s around......

[adrenalated]

ON3P is demoing skis this coming Saturday at Loveland, why not just ski both Wrens then and decide?

I personally have no issues with the edge to edge quickness of the Wren 112 on Chair 1, and don't find there to be very much overlap between my Wren 112s and my BGs because the shapes are so drastically different. So I wouldn't make the decision between the Wren 98, 102, or 108 based on waist width, I'd make it on radius and flex. A Wren + BG is a pretty awesome two ski quiver for LL for a directional skier.

As others have said about Bibby vs. BG - I thought they were similar in how easy/demanding they are overall. The BG is better in soft snow and more directional, Bibby is better on hard snow and more jibby.

[iamTRuTH]

^ beat me to it. I have had almost every iteration of the Wren, and they just keep making them better. I skied the 108 last year, and really enjoyed the new tip shape (thanks powtron) slices through the Loveland wind blown great, and I couldn't tell any difference in the stability. The K116 skied nice also, however; you needed a more central stance then the BG. Like Adrenalated stated, the 108/BG would be a great 2 ski quiver for LL.

[sf]

So I wouldn't make the decision between the Wren 98, 102, or 108 based on waist width, I'd make it on radius and flex. A Wren + BG is a pretty awesome two ski quiver for LL for a directional skier.

Absolutely. My 102 suggestion was based on flex. I find the 102 a lot easier to ski than my OG 191 Wren. I've only fondled the 98/108s in the store, but I'd guess the 102s are a bit more forgiving for skiing with the kids

[Gman]

Absolutely. My 102 suggestion was based on flex. I find the 102 a lot easier to ski than my OG 191 Wren. I've only fondled the 98/108s in the store, but I'd guess the 102s are a bit more forgiving for skiing with the kids

I skied the wren 102 last year at loveland and I found it to be a rocket ship. I'm about 5'11 160lbs. You'd be fine with either the 98 or the 108. Both are going to be very different than the BG. Personally, I like having a slightly narrower ski for my daily driver but I'm also on the east coast so being able to use my edges on ice is crucial to me.

[TahoeJ]

don't find there to be very much overlap between my Wren 112s and my BGs because the shapes are so drastically different.

I spent over 90% of my days last season on these two skis and I completely agree. I was never torn on which one to bring out on any given day.