Dry needle therapy

[Benny Profane]

Benny, Glad to hear you are enjoying the powder, I am actually in Summit co studying under a PT who specializes in Dry needling for a few months so I'm familiar with the local opinion on PT care. People are big on manual care here, chiro especially, its kind of insane. The problem with many of these interventions is it shifts care to an external locus of control. You are now dependent on someone to get better, see a problem? But people in summit co love to get outside and immediately feel like they must go to someone to feel better if they are hurting without changing their daily lifestyle. Having an internal locus of control is really important such as doing appropriate exercise to calm down pathomechanics. Its a form of care thats highly effective for long term management but doesn't go over too well with people who think they know everything because they "post pictures holding a scrap of paper just over 14k feet".

Dry needling is not acupuncture, there actually is a big lawsuit in North Carolina at the moment if you get bored and want some interesting reading. The acupuncturists are on track to loose unless they rally up some big time money, unlikely for any alternative to big pharma for lobbying perspectives.

Dry needling targets the pain/spasm/pain cycle by directly targeting trigger points of increased tension, something that acupuncture does not. The only risks are a pneumothorax, something that really should never happen and the hole would be so small that you would just be monitored. The same effects can be mediated by other interventions but the end results are more time effective than a 30 minute massage and more directed than a simple TENS unit. I have heard of direct nerve needling, I dont know much about that as its a very high level intervention and beyond my current scope.

Hope that helps

Thanks.

As far as "depending" on someone and handing over control, well, what I have learned is that my attitude that 3000 miles of road biking was plenty enough personal PT, but, it sure wasn't. There's some really weird shit going on with my lower leg, and I'll let an expert guide me. When pain comes and goes and shifts, I have no clue. I'll pay good money to someone who sees a lot of skiers and boarders to help me. Although, so far, the other clients are really young park rats who really fucked up. Poor kids.

How about massage therapy, too? With or without a happy ending, of course.

[Tech Tonics]

Go see a licensed acupuncturist

PTs learn "dry needling" in a weekend course. LACs (licensed acupuncturists have, at minimum, a two year master's degree.

[Labcabin]

Worked for me on neck and shoulder issues which were causing daily headaches, sometimes to the level of migraine and vertigo.

[doebedoe]

Go see a licensed acupuncturist

PTs learn "dry needling" in a weekend course. LACs (licensed acupuncturists have, at minimum, a two year master's degree.

Yeah, except that the ideas behind the dry needling and acupuncture are different, as are the some of the methods.

[zion zig zag]

I tried this today for some low back pain since I have a few friends that rave about the relief they've received. Everything was going fine until she said that my hip flexors were tight and she needed to treat that spot. Fuck that shit, I'd have to wake up feeling 20 years old tomorrow to do that again. The needles in my lower back weren't exactly comfortable, but not bad, but the 6 inch needle she used for my hips felt like it was going to come out my dick.

[Dantheman]

I feel bad for laughing so hard. Did it help? I don't have much of an opinion on dry needling, but your back issue doesn't sound like the kind of thing it's likely to help.

[Benny Profane]

Hmmm, this was bumped.

After all this time, I still have a small bruise like mark where the needle was inserted and the juice was left on too long. I don't think it did any good. I think it's possible that it did some nerve damage, and weakened my leg. I don't think much of what I did back then did a lot of good. I got a PT here who approached things much simpler. You leg is weak, you need this and this and this weight work, because I never did much leg weight work. It worked.

But, this is the fourth time I've heard someone mention back pain in two days. I have a problem, two friends, and now here. Are you vaccinated? Because we are. Just, you know, thinking. Maybe, you know, ahem, side effect?

[frorider]

Jeez let’s not go there.

You hang out with people over 40, some of whom have back pain.

[zion zig zag]

I feel bad for laughing so hard. Did it help? I don't have much of an opinion on dry needling, but your back issue doesn't sound like the kind of thing it's likely to help.

Therapist that did it said I probably wouldn't have any relief for the first 24 hours as I'd likely be sore from the needles. And I agree, it isn't likely to help my issue much, but I've gotten gotten tight from weeks of protective posture so I figured it was worth a try. I'm still having strange sensations in my groin and hips two hours later.

I can't think of many procedures that I've had that have made me break out in a cold sweat, grip the table like it's upside down, and made me actually shout out in pain. I'm normally pretty stoic about pain, but this was weird pain. Did not like.

[Skidog]

Jeez let’s not go there.

You hang out with people over 40, some of whom have back pain.

Some? Lol. Ok I guess it's not "all" until about 45.

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[zion zig zag]

I don't think it did any good. I think it's possible that it did some nerve damage, and weakened my leg.

Fuck, I don't want to hear that. As soon as I walked out that's what was in my head. That and compartment syndrome.

And I don't think the vaccine did this to my back. I think it was years of carrying 300 pound fatties down stairs at 2am, immediately switching to desk job and then culminating in a badly skied pillow line.

[Boissal]

Therapist that did it said I probably wouldn't have any relief for the first 24 hours as I'd likely be sore from the needles. And I agree, it isn't likely to help my issue much, but I've gotten gotten tight from weeks of protective posture so I figured it was worth a try. I'm still having strange sensations in my groin and hips two hours later.

I can't think of many procedures that I've had that have made me break out in a cold sweat, grip the table like it's upside down, and made me actually shout out in pain. I'm normally pretty stoic about pain, but this was weird pain. Did not like.

That was my experience as well, a friend of mine who is a PT has been doing dry needling for years and offered to help with a back issue I had. Started relatively mild but then she told me my traps were really tight and proceeded to bury a bunch of scary long needles in there. Every time she'd hit a knot deep in the muscle I'd jump and shrug my shoulders and bend the needle in the process. I barely made it to the end of the session and was sore for 48 hours after. We're not talking mildly sore here, we're talking held-at-gunpoint-and-forced-to-overhead-press-100lbs-weights-for-12-hours-straight sore. It did help with the back issue though but I swore I'd never do it again.

[Danno]

That was my experience as well, a friend of mine who is a PT has been doing dry needling for years and offered to help with a back issue I had. Started relatively mild but then she told me my traps were really tight and proceeded to bury a bunch of scary long needles in there. Every time she'd hit a knot deep in the muscle I'd jump and shrug my shoulders and bend the needle in the process. I barely made it to the end of the session and was sore for 48 hours after. We're not talking mildly sore here, we're talking held-at-gunpoint-and-forced-to-overhead-press-100lbs-weights-for-12-hours-straight sore. It did help with the back issue though but I swore I'd never do it again.

Sounds like your back problem got resolved by Mel Brooks's doctor:

Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner have come out with a new interview of the "2,000-year-old man." As in the ones before, Brooks is the blunt-spoken, old Yiddish-accented relic -- part cave man and part wise guy -- who answers questions about everything from Helen of Troy's sister's name ("Janice") to the main means of transportation in the Stone Age ("fear"). In this newest recording, the old man also explains cave medicine as practiced by a "top doctor" who specialized in relieving pain. If you had pain in your chest, for example, he would put some horribly stinging, burning substance on it, so the much worse pain on the outside would take your mind off the pain on the inside. But then how did he get rid of the new pain? Reiner reasonably asks. "He took a big rock and smashed your foot," says Brooks. And then? That pain would be relieved when he "stuck a twig in your eye." He was "brilliant," the old man confides to Reiner, "but I decided I didn't need such a specialist."

[splat]

How much y'all paying for these needling sessions? Cause I get the feeling there are healers around you that can actually do you good. Just not looking in the right places.

[zion zig zag]

How much y'all paying for these needling sessions? Cause I get the feeling there are healers around you that can actually do you good. Just not looking in the right places.

$50.

My wife is currently taking a 3 week curandera course from the University of New Mexico online. Maybe she can heal me after? She did mention rolling an egg on my back.

[Bunion 2020]

^^^ Agreed. I had some dry needling done for jaw pain (TMJ), maybe it helped, maybe not. Anyone who has lived any kind of an active lifestyle has back problems, those with the motivation and will get their core strong and it helps, slackers like me get by best as we can and visit the Chiro every now and then.

My guys makes it clear that I seek him out when my back hurts and there is no regular visit program. I am usually good for about 1 session a year when I can no longer stand up straight. He and I catch up on lost time, he cracks my back, maybe my neck, makes my Pzoas scream to the heavens and I am back to abnormal.

[zion zig zag]

^^^ Agreed. I had some dry needling done for jaw pain (TMJ), maybe it helped, maybe not. Anyone who has lived any kind of an active lifestyle has back problems, those with the motivation and will get their core strong and it helps, slackers like me get by best as we can and visit the Chiro every now and then.

My guys makes it clear that I seek him out when my back hurts and there is no regular visit program. I am usually good for about 1 session a year when I can no longer stand up straight. He and I catch up on lost time, he cracks my back, maybe my neck, makes my Pzoas scream to the heavens and I am back to abnormal.

I'll have to weigh out curandera vs chiropractor.

[pureantigravity]

I had about 5 needle sessions 2 years ago. Good experience. Had another 2 sessions in 2014 when I had a bad hip. It helped my hip amazingly well. Except for 1 or 2 sessions I don't feel the needle go in. And yes, they are the LONG needles (3 inches).

The hip session that helped me the most was when she put the needle into the joint and then poked it all around to wound the joint. That would create an injury that would bring extra blood flow and bring long term healing. It worked. Just two sessions and I was back to good for 3 years.

The last time, the physio worked on my groin (front-hip area), back (lower back), gluteus (back-hip area). She doesn't do EMS with the needles. Just the needles and then let them sit in place for 5 to 10 minutes. I looked like a pincushion with all the needles in. This is the same physio does my chiro adjustments.

Needle in and then almost out. 3 inches of muscle twitching joy.

[skifishbum]

i hate needles
but my wife does a good bit of needling
so i let her and she does it
cause it works

[pureantigravity]

I wonder if needling can cure erectile dysfunction.

[XXX-er]

My buddy told me he didnt mind giving needles but a 50% chance of passing out while getting a needle, he sez don't forget to breathe

[I've seen black diamonds!]

I've been needled a bunch. Sometimes it brings instant relief. Sometimes it doesn't do much. When it works best it is typically quite painful- massive spasms followed by release. The spasms can be strong enough to bend needles. Sometimes I'm quite sore the next day. Sometimes only mildly so.

When I've got a muscle that is persistently knotted up and pulling my body out of alignment or causing pain somewhere needling is far more effective (and far less pleasant) than massage. I've mostly had it done by PT's who only break the needles out when they think it's called for.

[XXX-er]

I went to a trad Chinese guy for a frozen shoulder, he would put about 18 little needles in my knuckles/ elbow/ into my hair line ( didnt hurt at all) , when he took them out 45 min later i had an extra 10 degree of shoulder range but i lost that over night as the shoulder tightend up again, acupuncture quit being of much use after 9 visits and i quit at about 12 visits but it appeared to loosen up a frozen shoulder joint

[alpinevibes]

My wife's a PT who does a fair amount of dry needling and some with electro stim.

In her practice she doesn't seem to use needling or position it as a therapy itself, but a means of expediting the broader scope of her therapy with a patient. Mainly releasing muscles and ligaments so she can manually work on them or use other techniques/patient exercises to improve the issue. I've only had needles in my knee a few times for ITBS; it helped. But she has many patients that swear by it and have seen measurable improvement with their issues, compared to a non-needle incorporated approach.

I tried this today for some low back pain since I have a few friends that rave about the relief they've received. Everything was going fine until she said that my hip flexors were tight and she needed to treat that spot. Fuck that shit, I'd have to wake up feeling 20 years old tomorrow to do that again. The needles in my lower back weren't exactly comfortable, but not bad, but the 6 inch needle she used for my hips felt like it was going to come out my dick.

I can't think of many procedures that I've had that have made me break out in a cold sweat, grip the table like it's upside down, and made me actually shout out in pain. I'm normally pretty stoic about pain, but this was weird pain. Did not like.

I know the hip/groin is very hard to needle, but your experience sounds a bit concerning. Did the PT seem to feel like your pain/reaction/outcome was normal from her experience?

And $50 is a steal for a session. My wife charges for a normal PT visit - $100-300

[Dantheman]

My wife is currently taking a 3 week curandera course from the University of New Mexico online. Maybe she can heal me after?

Is Ayahuasca involved? If not, vibes.