Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 61
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Juneau
    Posts
    867

    Down Skis - 2014-15 / 2015-16 - mini review

    Up for quick reviews are 3 Down skis. I put together a group buy this past summer and these guys were great and generous, make impressively crafted carbon skis, and contribute here, so I thought I’d share some thoughts on what I have ridden. They also sent me a pair of CD 107s gratis as “mag” skis, so after putting a few days on them with some friends here, they are now on their way to Leavenworth Skier and are likely to show up at the 16BBI with some demo bindings on them (assuming USPS sniffers don't chow through the bacon flavored duct tape).

    Me: 5’9.5” (except when I round up to 5’10”), 190 lb, and my gnarliest of lines wouldn’t qualify me for TGR waterboy. My heels flop up and down -- most days I’m on Switchback X2 and T Race boots. For the 102L’s, it would be TTS and Tx boots. Other skis I’d rave about: Praxis Rx and Freeride, Voile Charger.

    1. Down YW8 102 (I have last year’s version, Countdown 102L).
    179 cm.
    120-102-107, 41m radius,
    Listed at 2800 g (and came in slightly under that).
    Long gradual rocker at the tips, 2 mm of camber, nearly flat tail.
    Mounted at recommended point -11.
    Days skied: 15-20 covering hero powder, spring corn, icy hardpack, and crud.

    In my view, for skis hovering around 6 lb for the pair, this is the best of its class, which can be challenging in heavy snow and crud conditions. But the YW8’s large turn radius and relative stiffness allow you to hold course pretty damn well. The lightness and rocker make them a walk in the park on the way up, very easy to turn, and sufficient floatation in powder. They provide decent edge hold but are definitely not resort skis.

    2. Countdown 107.
    183 cm.
    127-107-121, 25m radius
    Listed at 3700 g (and also came in slightly under that)
    Long gradual rocker at the tips, 2 mm of camber, nearly flat tail.
    Mounted at -11 (or -1 behind recommended mount)
    Days skied: 2 covering hardpack and crud.

    This is a solid and predictable all around ski. I was pleasantly surprised by its solid edge hold on icy hardpack – coming down some steepish icy trails, they hopped edge-to-edge as good as I can make any ski go. Good flotation and crud busting ability. Not going to be the biggest crusher in light of its size and weight, but its tip rocker and stiffness make it more than adequate for the task. Not much else to say other than reiterate the 107 is a dependable all-winter touring ski and/or all-mountain ski, i.e., it can do a little bit of everything pretty well but doesn’t aim to excel in one particular condition.

    3. Showdown 115. (2015 version, non-metal).
    190 cm
    135-115-122, 41m turn radius
    Listed at 2100 g (and came is lightly under that)
    Long gradual rocker at the tips, zero camber, nearly flat tail.
    Mounted at -10 (or -1 behind recommended mount)
    Days skied: 1 when there was shitty visibility, and heavy mashed potatoes. Stuck to the trees to have some line of sight and brought them on some groomer runs for good measure.

    Time to lobby the fellows at Down – this is my dream ski for winter touring/skiing, but I admit at 190 cm, I’m not man enough to take them out every day. 185 cm would be perfect! These skis handle the tough ski conditions as good as any ski at their weight. Pretty stiff, nice flat tails, and long gradual rocker – they float very well, provide a stable platform to ride on, and they consistently plowed over/through the wet snow and crud last weekend. And I was quite impressed at their responsiveness and ability to make quick turns. Now how about that 185?!
    Last edited by dschane; 02-11-2016 at 02:23 PM.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    31,128
    I'm liking my 114s. Took a while to get used to non dynafit ramp angle of ions on them and they are perhaps a little longer for me at 189 than I'm used to, too. My local ski store also commented they were better made, prepped than CD6S I bought a few years back.... thanks again for arranging the group buy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Downbound Train View Post
    And there will come a day when our ancestors look back...........

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    panhandle locdog
    Posts
    6,742
    I'm planning on picking up a pair of marker jester demo bindings for the skis, anybody got a pair they'd donate cheap to the cause? I will bring the skis to BBI16 for sure.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Methow Valley
    Posts
    970
    Thanks for the review. The YW8s/102Ls are really starting to call my name. Wish I could make it to 16 BBI.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    20sickness
    Posts
    498
    Quote Originally Posted by dschane View Post
    Up for quick reviews are 3 Down skis. I put together a group buy this past summer and these guys were great and generous, make impressively crafted carbon skis, and contribute here, so I thought I’d share some thoughts on what I have ridden. They also sent me a pair of CD 107s gratis as “mag” skis, so after putting a few days on them with some friends here, they are now on their way to Leavenworth Skier and are likely to show up at the 16BBI with some demo bindings on them (assuming USPS sniffers don't chow through the bacon flavored duct tape).

    Me: 5’9.5” (except when I round up to 5’10”), 190 lb, and my gnarliest of lines wouldn’t qualify me for TGR waterboy. My heels flop up and down -- most days I’m on Switchback X2 and T Race boots. For the 102L’s, it would be TTS and Tx boots. Other skis I’d rave about: Praxis Rx and Freeride, Voile Charger.

    1. Down YW8 102 (I have last year’s version, Countdown 102L).
    179 cm.
    120-102-107, 41m radius,
    Listed at 2800 g (and came in slightly under that).
    Long gradual rocker at the tips, 2 mm of camber, nearly flat tail.
    Mounted at recommended point -11.
    Days skied: 15-20 covering hero powder, spring corn, icy hardpack, and crud.

    In my view, for skis hovering around 6 lb for the pair, this is the best of its class, which can be challenging in heavy snow and crud conditions. But the YW8’s large turn radius and relative stiffness allow you to hold course pretty damn well. The lightness and rocker make them a walk in the park on the way up, very easy to turn, and sufficient floatation in powder. They provide decent edge hold but are definitely not resort skis.
    Any way you could post additional photos of the rocker profile of the YW8's?

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Juneau
    Posts
    867
    Quote Originally Posted by brown9 View Post
    Any way you could post additional photos of the rocker profile of the YW8's?
    Sure, I'll get that done tonight.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Boulder
    Posts
    1,092
    For anybody interested in getting on a pair of CD102 (the standard layup from 2014/15), I'll likely post my 1x mounted 5x skied pair in Gear Swap soon...

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Juneau
    Posts
    867
    As requested, some profile/rocker pics of the CD 102L (YW8 102 at 179 cm) (and note that the two pictures of the tip rocker with the ski on the table are simply the product of a slightly different angle) (and, yes, I've got my kids's crappy artwork proudly posted everywhere):












  9. #9
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    F'n Midwest again
    Posts
    2,229
    Quote Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier View Post
    I'm planning on picking up a pair of marker jester demo bindings for the skis, anybody got a pair they'd donate cheap to the cause? I will bring the skis to BBI16 for sure.
    pm transmission pending
    Aggressive in my own mind

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    panhandle locdog
    Posts
    6,742
    I just got the 107s. Where should I mount the demo bindings? Obviously demo bindings allow some movement fore and aft, but what's the sweet spot to start at? Topsheet has 0 to -10 marked.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Juneau
    Posts
    867
    Tough question. Since they're in your hands, you should be a tad selfish here and go with your boot. The other approach: using Google, I see the average foot size for a man is a U.S. 9. I'd give that the Pinnocchio TGR bump and size up to a 10, or roughly a BSL of 315. And put that on the -10 mark (which is the recommended line for the 107).

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    panhandle locdog
    Posts
    6,742
    Okay cool. My BSL is actually 316 so I'm the perfect candidate for mounting them. My main question was the mount point. If -10 is recommended, that's where I'll go. (My gut was -10 but I like traditionally mounted skis best so I wanted to make sure my personal bias wasn't clouding my judgement.)

    They look like sweet skis! Bindings should arrived today so hopefully I'll be able to ski them a couple days this weekend.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    147
    Since this is the down thread, check out their website. They have some sweet softgoods available now for pretty good prices... even if you're Canadian.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    147
    Can someone upload a picture of the throwdown 110 sideprofile? I want to see what it looks like in a photo & not their website...can't find any real reviews or info anywhere. Thanks in advance

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    78 41′ 0″ N, 16 24′ 0″ E
    Posts
    1,514
    Quote Originally Posted by GrantN View Post
    Can someone upload a picture of the throwdown 110 sideprofile? I want to see what it looks like in a photo & not their website...can't find any real reviews or info anywhere. Thanks in advance
    Don't have a pair available for a shot, but I'll ask some on the team to snap a few pics.
    simen@downskis.com DOWN SKIS

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    78 41′ 0″ N, 16 24′ 0″ E
    Posts
    1,514
    Here's the shot of the TD 110.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	1455220054595.jpg 
Views:	222 
Size:	49.8 KB 
ID:	176612  
    simen@downskis.com DOWN SKIS

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    147
    Quote Originally Posted by SiSt View Post
    Here's the shot of the TD 110.
    Thanks, you guys are awesome!

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    78 41′ 0″ N, 16 24′ 0″ E
    Posts
    1,514
    Quote Originally Posted by GrantN View Post
    Thanks, you guys are awesome!
    Thanks! Working on further improving our customer involvement for 16/17. Hope we can shed some light on that very soon!
    simen@downskis.com DOWN SKIS

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Juneau
    Posts
    867
    Quote Originally Posted by dschane View Post
    this is my dream ski for winter touring/skiing, but I admit at 190 cm, Im not man enough to take them out every day.
    I now have a couple more days on the non-metal Showdown 115s and should revise this statement. They are quite snappy and handle smoothly, so for someone who prefers skis in the 183-185 cm range, the 115s ski shorter than 190 cm. And IMHO, the 115's rocker, large turn radius, and modest size shovel create a stable, fun ride, but the skis can also be turned quickly in tight situations. At 9.25 lb, they are at the upper end of what I'd tour with (generally preferring 8-8.5 lb for winter and sub 7 lb for spring/summer). And I'd leave them at home for hardpack days.

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    panhandle locdog
    Posts
    6,742
    So far been lukewarm on the 107s. I need to detune the edges.

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    idaho panhandle!
    Posts
    7,793
    Quote Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier View Post
    So far been lukewarm on the 107s. I need to detune the edges.
    Oh yeah, wtf happened to the demo pair at BBI16? I was hoping to get on em. You talked to me about the 127cham, but not these. Bummed.

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    panhandle locdog
    Posts
    6,742
    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    Oh yeah, wtf happened to the demo pair at BBI16? I was hoping to get on em. You talked to me about the 127cham, but not these. Bummed.
    No one asked, and never seemed like the right time. They just banged around in my roof box all weekend.

    Trust me when I say that the conditions on the lower mountain would not be a fair test for the skis... the carbon in them makes them really... uhhh... twitchy? not damp..

    To be completely honest, I've been not very stoked on the skis... but by saying that I'm sure I'm now going to have the down skis lynch mob come after me, uh oh.

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    idaho panhandle!
    Posts
    7,793
    Whale shit, I would have spun a couple on 2 on them, ahh well.

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    panhandle locdog
    Posts
    6,742
    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    Whale shit, I would have spun a couple on 2 on them, ahh well.
    You didn't ever ask either...

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    idaho panhandle!
    Posts
    7,793
    Quote Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier View Post
    You didn't ever ask either...
    My mind wasn't in the game, nahmean!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •