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    [shitstorm] The best (technically the best, not soulfully, he had a bit of a soul problem that ended up with him killing himself) electric guitarist ever, in my opinion, was Danny Gatton. Don't tell me your guy was better than Danny because it's a lie. You don't know him, listen to him and you will agree.[/shitstorm]
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    As soon as I started reading I was wondering when Gatton was going to get mentioned...

    Man, I would of given my left nut to see Danny Gatton and Roy Buchanan play at the old Birchmere back in the day. DC puts out some fine guitarists, unfortunately they all seem to kill themselves.

    Ice, did you ever see Danny live?

    I never knew it until I was looking at some Roy Buchanan biography stuff, but he hung himself in the Fairfax County jail after being picked up for a drunk in public charge.

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    Roy kicks ass.

    While were on this subject, I saw Chris Cain live a couple of years ago. Damn good show.

    One of my favorite performances was Buddy Guy though. He opened for the Stones at the Rose Bowl back in 95 or so. He completely blew them away. It's rare that you see an opener lay the smack down on the headliner. He was so much better than them it was silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arty50
    Roy kicks ass.


    One of my favorite performances was Buddy Guy though. He opened for the Stones at the Rose Bowl back in 95 or so. He completely blew them away. It's rare that you see an opener lay the smack down on the headliner. He was so much better than them it was silly.
    of course. he's the real thing.

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    An urban legend? Perhaps.

    Imagine Eric Clapton knocking on Pete Townsend's door in the wee hours of the morning. Eric tells Pete that he's just seen someone that's going to put them both out of business . . . . Jimi Hendrix.

    No, I'm not picking sides. And true or not, I like the story.


    The first album I ever bought with my very own money was Hendrix' Are you experienced. The vinyl has long since passed on, maybe it's time to buy the CD.
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    Interesting choice of white English guys - I can see how this legend came about. Clapton welcomed Hendrix on the mod scene (remember, he was "God" at that moment) with open arms and on his knees respect. But Pete dissed Jimi somehow, and I'm not clear as to how, but Jimi wanted nothing to do with him afterwards. I think it was his performance at Monterrey Pop, when Jimi built a little fire to upstage the (then) tired old smashing guitar Who thing. Pete thought he was better than the real thing. But after the child porno thing a few years back, maybe Pete wishes he wasn't turned on his side a few times by friends or medics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane
    But Pete dissed Jimi somehow, and I'm not clear as to how, but Jimi wanted nothing to do with him afterwards. I think it was his performance at Monterrey Pop, when Jimi built a little fire to upstage the (then) tired old smashing guitar Who thing. Pete thought he was better than the real thing. But after the child porno thing a few years back, maybe Pete wishes he wasn't turned on his side a few times by friends or medics.
    Pete actually has a couple of nice interviews in the Lifelines box set. The interviews are old too; Pete sounds really young and the recordings sound old.

    In the first he didn't really think Jimi copied him. He said it was similar, but different enough.

    In the second interview, Pete tells about they were arguing the band order (Who vs. Experience) at Monterey Pop. Neither wanted to follow the other on stage. So Pete tries to lay down the law, "Listen, we're not going to follow you on and that's it." Upon which Jimi gets up on a chair and in front of Pete, Clapton, Janis Joplin, and Brian Jones plays some "amazing" (Pete's words) guitar. He then got down off the chair, turned to Pete, and said, "If I'm gonna follow you, I'm gonna pull all the stops."

    BTW, this is a great box set. It's long since out of print, but worth getting a hold of. The first 3 discs are chronological with Jim Benson and interviews laced inbetween. It starts with his Chitlin days and ends with Night Bird Flying. The Live LA Forum show on disc 4 is the piece de resistance though.
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    That's a pretty cool story.

    To bring the thread back to its original topic, the SRV "Little Wing" on The Sky Is Crying is one of my favorite tracks ever. There are a couple runs on that joint that are pure goosebump material. But I don't know that its better than the Clapton "Rainbow Concert" version, or the Derek and the Dominos "Live at the Fillmore" version. Both are fully nasty- if you haven't heard that DD 2-disc Fillmore set, go and get it now. NOW! Or I'll burn you a copy, or (this rules) send you a track or two via Yahoo messenger. But you probably have heard it, so...

    I went to see the Stones 3 years ago, the tour they did where they would play a big stadium show and then a smaller show in the same city. It was the second night of the tour, first small venue, the Orpheum in Boston. My buddy and I had about the best seats in the house, a small box literally over the right side of the stage. Buddy Guy opened, and was killing it, and we were checking him out and looked up and saw the Stones out on the little balcony off their dressing room checking Buddy out as well. They were fully rocking out to his set, pretty cool. And then they came out and absolutely dominated- one of the 3-4 best shows I've ever seen.

    Also at that show, we were above John Kerry and Teresa Heinz, and I leaned over the railing between sets and yelled "Kerry in '04!." He gave me a real nervous thumbs up, and that's when I knew we were screwed.

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    Derek and Dominoes Live at the Fillmore? man, that sounds tasty.

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    It's shit-hot, IMO. Freak-nasty versions of "Little Wing" and "Let It Rain."

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    "Why does love got to be so sad" absofuckinlutely rules on that album.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splat
    The Paris Hilton Collection?

    I once traded a North face -30 bag for the entire Jimi collection.
    I'm sure some or many other kind of bags were changed for concert tickets.

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    Playing with Wilson Pickett (who seems to have had sex with Eddie Murphy's mother) in 1966. Mark that year. The entire Jimi pop history hasn't even started, and he died in 1970.
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    Random bump, very cool photo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Playing with Wilson Pickett (who seems to have had sex with Eddie Murphy's mother) in 1966. Mark that year. The entire Jimi pop history hasn't even started, and he died in 1970.
    Yes, Chas Chandler discovered Hendrix (at the Cafe Wha?) summer of 66--which makes me pretty confident 66 is the wrong year on this photo. I think the photo is from earlier, probably a little after Hendrix had been playing on the chitlin circuit, because by 66 he had been doing his Jimi James and the Blue Flames thing in NYC.

    edit: ha, just checked on the photo and all my speculation was wrong. This was taken in 66 because it was at an NYC release party for Percy Sledge ("When a Man Loves a Woman"), and Atlantic Records had Pickett perform (since Jimi was there and had previously been in his band I'm sure Wilson just called him up and asked him to play that night).

    Reading back through this thread I'm kind of surprised that all those years ago I didn't come out and just say it...Hendrix all day over all those other guitar players, and it's not even really a close call. Doesn't diminish those guys to say they're below Hendrix. I just honestly think you hear something different when you hear Hendrix--in SRV, and moreso in Clapton, you hear a lot of the same stock figures played and can often point to where those phrases come from (yes, Hendrix had some figures he'd lean on at times as well--I think most musicians do). The originality in Hendrix is always there in a way you don't hear with the other guys. If you think about his compositions--they're so weird and without antecedent, and so wide ranging (compare Spanish Castle Magic to Purple Haze to Voodoo Child/Chile to Manic Depression to Third Stone--completely different things happening in all of them). When I listen to Hendrix I can hear the way he was inventing the songs (and therefore changing music), and I rarely get that with these other guitarists. I also find Hendrix's playing to be incredibly distinct. SRV is pretty distinct as well, but Clapton is often fairly imitative.

    Anyway, I mostly came to this thread because recently I've been watching a lot of youtube music theory clips, and happened to see this just yesterday (I don't usually watch this guy's clips, but if you're curious about Purple Haze this one is pretty good). It ranges from the somewhat obvious (the use of dominant chords, the bass/guitar octaves in the intro, Hendrix's affection for tritones) to things I had never realized. And of course it mentions 'the Hendrix chord.' (Come on, end of discussion right there--is there even another musician out there who has a chord named after him?) Anyway, this video definitely does a good job explaining the song:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki View Post
    …compare Spanish Castle Magic to Purple Haze to Voodoo Child/Chile to Manic Depression to Third Stone--…
    This just became my morning playlist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper View Post
    This just became my morning playlist.
    Awesome, my work here is done!!

    Seriously, for you or anyone else following along...if you want to hear a fantastic SCM check out some of the Atlanta concerts. For Voodoo Child go to the Miami concert that came out on the old 'Concerts' album many years ago. Of course, Woodstock is the most famous, probably, but IMO there are better. My favorite concert, probably, as a whole, might be one of the Winterland concerts, but it's a little hard for me to say because the way I originally heard it (the way it was packaged) was as a single CD made up of both Winterland sets, combining them into one. But that concert CD is fantastic. The best Hey, Joe, and among the best Red House versions you'll hear.
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    Thank you, listening to it now... Wow!!

    Something that I find really impressive in Jimi Hendrix is his ability to play a great rhythm guitar as he is singing. For example, the basic form of Hey Joe is super easy to play, five chords, repeating over and over. But playing those doesn't make it sound good, it's his rhythm and all the little fills that he throws in through the song (and they're not over the top, they just fit the song really well). And to sing while doing that!

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    Hendrix at the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4Ln...JfX99fUiM6HBc_

    It's amazing how he could play the guitar like that, sing, and chew gum at the same time.

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    I was lucky enough to have seen SRV 3 times. He'll be my background music for the work day. RIP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fofo View Post
    Thank you, listening to it now... Wow!!

    Something that I find really impressive in Jimi Hendrix is his ability to play a great rhythm guitar as he is singing. For example, the basic form of Hey Joe is super easy to play, five chords, repeating over and over. But playing those doesn't make it sound good, it's his rhythm and all the little fills that he throws in through the song (and they're not over the top, they just fit the song really well). And to sing while doing that!
    Yeah, well, that's true for all musicians. I can play any chord you want in any sequence, but I can't play anything the way _________ (good musician) can play it. And yeah, Hendrix (like many bluesman) could essentially accompany himself. I'm assuming you've listened to Robert Johnson?

    I remember one time I actually asked the TGR guitar collective to tell me whether a certain series of notes in a Hendrix concert were coming from the bass or were being played on Jimi's E string (answer: the notes were Jimi's). Was it Winterland you listened to?

    Quote Originally Posted by 365wp View Post
    Hendrix at the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4Ln...JfX99fUiM6HBc_

    It's amazing how he could play the guitar like that, sing, and chew gum at the same time.
    Oh man, in high school I had that video (almost the whole set was filmed) and watched it dozens of times. I remember always thinking about how he chewed gum through most of the set. Thinking about it now, I wonder if he swallowed the gum because you never see him spit it out.

    That's the show that introduced the Experience to the U.S. where he first burnt his guitar. He went full tilt for that concert--playing with his teeth, behind his back, etc.
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    Yeah, I found Winterland online. I don't know if it's the CD version that you listened to, this one sounds almost like a bootleg one, you can hear a lot of what the audience is saying, but his playing is great. I really liked Red House and Foxy Lady from that concert.

    And that Monterey Pop festival video was great! I really liked the faces from the audience at the end. I guess that if any of us went back in time to that concert, on that iconic moment we would be like "Oh, oh, oooh, OOOHH! He's gonna do it! He's gonna do it!!!", but some of the people in the video looked more like "WTF? Are we sure that he is OK?"

    And thanks for the Robert Johnson reminder, it has been a while since I listened to him. I really like delta blues. Even though we have an unimaginable amount of music available at our fingertips, unfortunately some of us end up mostly listening to the same things over and over. It's good to get these suggestions and reminders that there's some excellent music out there.

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    Pretty sure I just found the Winterland recording you were talking about--that's definitely not it, the one I had (compilation of the three nights they played--I had it wrong before) has pretty pristine sound quality (briefly thought I would just grab the CD but of course it's in a box somewhere along with all the other fallen soldiers).

    Here's the wiki on that CD (not sure if Rykodisc is still around but back then they put out some great stuff):

    Live at Winterland was released by Rykodisc in 1987 and became the best-selling album from an independent label that year. With sales of over 200,000 copies, it sold more than any other Jimi Hendrix recording had in years.[6] In a contemporary review for The Village Voice, music critic Robert Christgau was highly impressed by the performances compiled for the album, which he said is ideal for the emerging CD format and surpasses previous live recordings of Hendrix: "The sound is bigger and better in every way for an artist whose sound was his music".[5] He named Live at Winterland the tenth best album of 1987 in his year-end list for The Village Voice.[7] Christgau remarked on its significance to Hendrix's discography in a retrospective review for Blender magazine:

    "It's been eclipsed sonically (Berkeley) and conceptually (Woodstock). But this pioneering digitalization, piecing together songs from three San Francisco nights in October 1968 to simulate one uninterrupted concert, redefined posthumous Hendrix and remains a surpassingly realistic live keepsake."[2]

    In 1992, Live at Winterland was re-released with a bonus disc, which contained three additional songs from the same concerts.[8] A 4 disc box set (titled Winterland) drawn from all 6 performances was released on September 12, 2011. A limited edition sold exclusively on Amazon.com includes a 5th bonus disc containing a bootleg soundboard recording of a performance at the Fillmore Auditorium on February 4, 1968.[9]




    But this collection has everything with the same sound quality, so worth a listen. Apparently if you buy it on Amazon you get an extra CD, but I haven't looked into that yet.

    https://open.spotify.com/album/333CW...tA&dl_branch=1

    edit: I guess part of the reason I have such an attachment to that Winterland single CD thing is what Christgau said in the review--it really does a great job of presenting the songs as if they were single concert he had played. It was also my first Hendrix CD after I got the Smash Hits tape (which used to be the only place you could find the single version of Red House, which I think previously had been UK only) and bought a bootleg concert tape from one of the guys in Harvard Square who used to sell those, which was Stockholm 67, which I eventually bought on a bootleg CD--it was a CD recording of an LP with bad audio to begin with. But before that, when I got that Winterland CD and mind=blown.
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