Stevi Ray's Little Wing

**Arty50** · 05-13-2005, 05:28 PM

Frankly, I'm with iceman on this one. Why must we compare? Each had their own flavor. Another similarly silly debate is John Bonham vs. Keith Moon. They're both amazing drummers, and very different. It's funny how rock lovers get into these debates. I blame Rolling Stone; their top 10/100/500 lists are silly. I mean, Eddie Van Halen was once ranked #1. Come on, get real.

People get all silly over music. I'm guilty of this myself. But think about it. Almost every musician is influenced by other musicians. It's art, that's how art works. You hear or see something and then it gives you an idea. Your idea may actually be quite original in the end, but that key piece of prior art still influenced your thought process. That's why there's really no true definition for Blues, Rock, Jazz, Classical, etc. People have their own takes on music and thus can pave their own course. The only reason we should label it is to make it easy to find in a record store or to dig up in iTunes.

**slim** · 05-13-2005, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Arty50

And here's another album that might interest you...

Look at how tight Albert King looks on that cover. Smoking his pipe... wearing that suit. Super tight. The only reason he played with SRV was so white people would buy more of his albums.

**Buster Highmen** · 05-13-2005, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Arty50

Come on, get real.

You mean that reality is not subject to some linear ordering? WHat are you, some kind of a communist?

**Honc** · 05-13-2005, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Arty50

Frankly, I'm with iceman on this one. Why must we compare? Each had their own flavor. Another similarly silly debate is John Bonham vs. Keith Moon. They're both amazing drummers, and very different. It's funny how rock lovers get into these debates. I blame Rolling Stone; their top 10/100/500 lists are silly. I mean, Eddie Van Halen was once ranked #1. Come on, get real.

People get all silly over music. I'm guilty of this myself. But think about it. Almost every musician is influenced by other musicians. It's art, that's how art works. You hear or see something and then it gives you an idea. Your idea may actually be quite original in the end, but that key piece of prior art still influenced your thought process. That's why there's really no true definition for Blues, Rock, Jazz, Classical, etc. People have their own takes on music and thus can pave their own course. The only reason we should label it is to make it easy to find in a record store or to dig up in iTunes.

I agree whole-heartedly with your second point. I have a problem with your first because it's completely natural to have strong opinions about something that you are passionate about. Someone else may be equally passionate but have a different view and arguements are inevitable. It has nothing to do with Rolling Stone. I agree that RS fits in somewhere between wall and toilet on the paper spectrum (if that's what you're saying), but it doesn't provoke opinions (and therefore arguments) in music lovers, loving music does.

Everybody likes 1 thing more than another. Throw in 2 stubborn dudes both passionate about music and a bunch of Coors Light and you've got yourself a debate.

**freshie247** · 05-13-2005, 06:01 PM

[QUOTE=skifishbum] In Step was a killer final album for a little dude who wailed a big guitar.

I believe Family style with Brother Jimmy was his last album.

That song contains everything.It's fast -slow, hot-cool,light-heavy, raw -polished,sweet -spicey.

He was a world class guitarist,but IMHO,I think others have written better music.

**Benny Profane** · 05-13-2005, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by slim

Masturbation.

hey, fuck you, man. really.
13th row, first show, but that was one of 5.

NEVER PASS JUDGEMENT UPON THE PLAYING OF JIMI HENDRIX UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN HIM LIVE

(it was all about volume and feedback)

and if you want to hear SRV get beat, listen to the duo he did in the Pipeline with Dick Dale. Now that's a white man with a different kind of soul.

**Arty50** · 05-13-2005, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Honc

I agree whole-heartedly with your second point. I have a problem with your first because it's completely natural to have strong opinions about something that you are passionate about. Someone else may be equally passionate but have a different view and arguements are inevitable. It has nothing to do with Rolling Stone. I agree that RS fits in somewhere between wall and toilet on the paper spectrum (if that's what you're saying), but it doesn't provoke opinions (and therefore arguments) in music lovers, loving music does.

Everybody likes 1 thing more than another. Throw in 2 stubborn dudes both passionate about music and a bunch of Coors Light and you've got yourself a debate.

Points well taken. But I completely disagree based solely on the grounds that I have a Coors Light in my hand.

Seriously though. Is there really a best ever? I was talking to my uncle several years ago about this. He brought up some good points: what if there's someone or something out there which you've never seen before, or what if "the best" hasn't been born or created yet. Just my 2 cents though. Debate is fun. Which is why "I may not always be right, but I'm never wrong."

**Honc** · 05-13-2005, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Arty50

Points well taken. But I completely disagree based solely on the grounds that I have a Coors Light in my hand.

Seriously though. Is there really a best ever? I was talking to my uncle several years ago about this. He brought up some good points: what if there's someone or something out there which you've never seen before, or what if "the best" hasn't been born or created yet. Just my 2 cents though. Debate is fun. Which is why "I may not always be right, but I'm never wrong."

Could not agree more. Plus, even if there is a best ever, I am defininitely not going to be the dude to get it right...

If 1 thing is absolute:

(drumroll please)

COORS LIGHT IS WITHOUT QUESTION THE BEST BEER EVER MADE. EVER.

Cheers

**Benny Profane** · 05-13-2005, 06:52 PM

good god

**Albinø Rhinø** · 05-13-2005, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Honc

COORS LIGHT IS WITHOUT QUESTION THE BEST BEER EVER MADE. EVER.

This nullifies any past and future opinion you may have, on or off this board, forever until the day you die. Sorry.

**mr_gyptian** · 05-13-2005, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Honc

Could not agree more. Plus, even if there is a best ever, I am defininitely not going to be the dude to get it right...

If 1 thing is absolute:

(drumroll please)

COORS LIGHT IS WITHOUT QUESTION THE BEST BEER EVER MADE. EVER.

Cheers

Isn't Coors light is the reason people like Eddie Van Halen are considered "Great" guitar players?

**Honc** · 05-13-2005, 07:19 PM

Pot: Stirred.

Funny sidenote: the last RS "best guitarists of all time ever" list ranked jack white as # 17. I'm speechless.

**iceman** · 05-13-2005, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Dick Dale. Now that's a white man with a different kind of soul.

Dick was and is awesome. No question, no doubt about it.

[shitstorm] The best (technically the best, not soulfully, he had a bit of a soul problem that ended up with him killing himself) electric guitarist ever, in my opinion, was Danny Gatton. Don't tell me your guy was better than Danny because it's a lie. You don't know him, listen to him and you will agree.[/shitstorm]

We miss ya Danny, RIP my man.

(Buster says FZ, and that's hard to argue with, too)

**Dexter Rutecki** · 05-13-2005, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Arty50

However, if you want to be really picky, I guess Jimi and Stevie weren't 'true blue' blues musicians. It's my opinion that their styles were predominantly rock and roll based. But what's really funny is that many 'true blue' blues musicians considered both of them to be blues guitarists.

That's because they are both true blues guitarists. Jimi came up through the old Chitlin' Circuit, and you can hear the blues in just about everything he played. The Voodoo Chile songs are of course straight blues, Red House, Highway Chile, Hear My Train, Hey Joe, etc. It may not be quite as apparent in some of the others, and there are a number of more jazz based songs (jazz being arguably based on the blues). Since he liked to be 'psychedelic' there's a lot of that, but rock comes directly from the blues, so it's tough to make the distinction some try to make between rock and blues.
Listen to some blues and then listen to a lot of stuff Miles played, too.

Masturbation? Only a wanker would think so.

As for SRV vs. Jimi, or EC vs. Jimi, I think both of those guys admitted to where they fell in the pantheon.

**iceman** · 05-13-2005, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki

As for SRV vs. Jimi, or EC vs. Jimi, I think both of those guys admitted to where they fell in the pantheon.

Well they both wanted second, so it's not quite decided I guess.

**Blurred** · 05-13-2005, 08:56 PM

AKPM pwns all j00 n00bs on the guitar. You'd best recognize.....

**Arty50** · 05-13-2005, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Albinø Rhinø

This nullifies any past and future opinion you may have, on or off this board, forever until the day you die. Sorry.

And may god have mercy on your soul. Calling Coors Light beer is a travesty. Malted water: yes. Beer: no.

That said, it is really nice after a hard day of manual labor. Especially if you have to drive home too.

As for my favorite guitarist, it's Mick Taylor. I wouldn't say he's the best ever, but he's definitely brilliant. Best of all, he's still kicking ass...unlike some of his former bandmates.

On the semi-random front, high marks go to Nick McCabe of the Verve.

**Dexter Rutecki** · 05-13-2005, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by iceman

Well they both wanted second, so it's not quite decided I guess.

You neglect the tie.

**Arty50** · 05-13-2005, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki

That's because they are both true blues guitarists. Jimi came up through the old Chitlin' Circuit, and you can hear the blues in just about everything he played. The Voodoo Chile songs are of course straight blues, Red House, Highway Chile, Hear My Train, Hey Joe, etc. It may not be quite as apparent in some of the others, and there are a number of more jazz based songs (jazz being arguably based on the blues). Since he liked to be 'psychedelic' there's a lot of that, but rock comes directly from the blues, so it's tough to make the distinction some try to make between rock and blues.
Listen to some blues and then listen to a lot of stuff Miles played, too.

It would have been really interesting if Jimi and Miles had gotten together. They were both fans of each other and it's widely speculated that Miles really wanted to put an album together with him. And yes, I totally agree that Rock, Jazz, and Blues all share common roots. Naturally, you have all sorts of things inbetween. That's why classifying some stuff is so hard, and often futile. To me, it's all music in the end.

And for those that don't "get" Jimi:
"You may listen to Jimi, but you can't hear Jimi!"

**Benny Profane** · 05-13-2005, 09:48 PM

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...874280-3653449

**Dexter Rutecki** · 05-13-2005, 09:48 PM

Yeah, I'll have to check, but I know there had been plans for Miles and Jimi to record together, but I don't think anything had ever been set. I sort of got the impression that it might've just been something Jimi was into and Miles made more of it after Jimi's death than there really was to it. But I'm pretty sure there had been talk on both sides of that happening. Would've been very, very interesting. Jimi on another planet, Miles thinking all planets orbit his own star.

**Dexter Rutecki** · 05-13-2005, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...874280-3653449

I'm looking at that book on my shelf right now.

edit: did you notice that if you like 'crosstown traffic' Amazon believes you'll want streaming traffic reports?

**Benny Profane** · 05-13-2005, 09:54 PM

and "hendrix" in books gets you this

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

**Benny Profane** · 05-13-2005, 09:59 PM

Yeah, the Miles thing was obviously in the works. Miles must have felt shattered. Armstrong goes, Jimi, and then he gets sick.

The Charles Murray book is great. Explains the history of American music, which is, of course, African, and ruled by spirits other than Christ. Great argument as to how Jimi was the logical mutation.

Oh, and check the cover. Gibson Flying V. Jimi liked it better than the Strat half the time.