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    yeti 5.5 was ok in the Ranger, 190 ish skis fit diagonaly in the 6' bed but (not the 223 DH )

    I think the Tacoma bed is 6'6" so skis and bikes fit better

    so IME at least 6' is the sweet spot for skis and bikes

    6 and a half even better, I don't need to carry much else

    SO if I go to the food store i will see a bunch of near new/ ex-cab/ 4dr/ 4x4/ PU's with a bed cover
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    So Maverick is category 3 on Chup's list, which from my viewpoint is basically a Subaru Baja. What's the point of these car trucks? I have friends that own Ridgelines and love them but I'm not sure why. If you're carrying 3+ bikes regularly it's maybe better than putting them on a rack? Definitely better for transporting dead stuff (does an ungulate fit in a 4.5' bed)? Is there some piece of sporting equipment that fits better in a micro bed vs hitch rack or roof (foil board)? Otherwise I see a car with an open/unsecured cargo area. WHHHYYY?

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    I donít get it either. Great price, good mileage, why not just enclose the bed and call it a small suv?

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    Hauling manure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyoverland Captive View Post
    I donít get it either. Great price, good mileage, why not just enclose the bed and call it a small suv?
    Yeah Iíd think a 4Runner competitor with hybrid engine and 40mpg would do extremely well, especially at that price point. Shoot, Iíd give it a hard look.

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    I can confirm that 189's will fit diagonally in a short bed Tacoma, lying flat on the floor of the bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North View Post
    So Maverick is category 3 on Chup's list, which from my viewpoint is basically a Subaru Baja. What's the point of these car trucks? I have friends that own Ridgelines and love them but I'm not sure why. If you're carrying 3+ bikes regularly it's maybe better than putting them on a rack? Definitely better for transporting dead stuff (does an ungulate fit in a 4.5' bed)? Is there some piece of sporting equipment that fits better in a micro bed vs hitch rack or roof (foil board)? Otherwise I see a car with an open/unsecured cargo area. WHHHYYY?
    If you go anywhere else in the world you see tons of tiny little pickups all over the place. They all canít be wrong. Anything wet, dirty, or tall is better outside your vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyoverland Captive View Post
    I donít get it either. Great price, good mileage, why not just enclose the bed and call it a small suv?
    I would consider doing that basically. What I really want is a mildly lifted, AWD Transit Connect, but toss a cap on this and that's basically what you get. Plus, you can hose out the back. I will be interested regardless, but if they add an AWD version of the hybrid, I'll be doubly so.

    Also, I understand if you're a contractor, but how can't people figure out how to haul 8 ft lumber in DIY quantities in a 4.5ft bed with a tailgate that folds down to 6ft? I used to haul it around in a Honda Fit. Something like this would be fine for the 4 times a year I haul long things.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyoverland Captive View Post
    I donít get it either. Great price, good mileage, why not just enclose the bed and call it a small suv?
    Because those exist already as crossovers.

    The Maverick and Ridgeline are the only unibody pickups sold in the US, until Hyundai brings the Santa Cruz. Australia has had "utes" for a long time - car based pickups like the El Camino.

    I really like the Ridgeline. I'd have bought one by now for a daily driver except it doesn't fit in my garage without folding in the outside mirrors, and even then, it'll be tight.

    IMHO these sort of truck like vehicles are better suited to everyday driving and occasional home improvement type truck bed use, than midsize and 1/2-ton pickups, because they drive better and get better MPG.

    Open bed for dirty, smelly, or wet stuff. Muddy bikes, fishing gear, wetsuits... The very small bed on the Maverick and Santa Cruz is pushing it for bike use though.
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    In the land of utes and hilux style trucks, which in the last 20 yrs were often 4 door with short beds, tradies would install a tradesman rack https://www.theuteshop.com.au/produc...s/trade-racks/ and/or use a small trailer for things that didn’t fit in the bed.

    The car-based utes IME generally had what ‘Mericans would consider a narrow bed of limited utility.

    It’s been said many times here, but the DIY types in other countries with occasional hauling needs just have a trailer. Easy to load, etc.

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    The ‘not afraid of trailers’ mentality is also why so many hardcore off-roaders tow a small, high clearance camping trailer in Oz.

    I’m the first to admit that I’m like most here and prefer a truck with a big ass bed. But there are other solutions.

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    Pulling a trailer is such a hassle in some places. Around here there are all sorts of roads and bridges you're not allowed on and you have to have storage space for one. We're about to do a bunch of excavation next week when we have some septic work done so I might finally have that space and am considering getting one even with the hassles.

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    I mean, if we're talking hauling not-gross stuff, a minivan is hard to beat. Full sheets of plywood fit perfectly. 12' lumber if you don't mind stuff sitting on the dash. Despite having a pickup, we used the van for 90% of our remodel pickups. I bet most of you manly men would choose a baby truck over a god forsaken minivan.

    Ford stopped selling cars, and made the Maverick as an alternative. Want a compact car made by Ford? Sorry, can't help you there, but have you seen our cheap new pickup? Want a pickup but can't afford a full-size? No problem! Check out this pickup for compact car money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    The Ďnot afraid of trailersí mentality is also why so many hardcore off-roaders tow a small, high clearance camping trailer in Oz.

    Iím the first to admit that Iím like most here and prefer a truck with a big ass bed. But there are other solutions.
    I also wonder if there are tax or license issues with larger vehicles (or based on engine size, which accompanies larger vehicles) that results in more use of trailers for cargo in other countries. Or maybe just that trailers can be a much cheaper way to transport stuff than big pickups.
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    I've owned several full-size and one S15 pick-up. I went to a mid-size suv for a few years and when you need a pick-up, you need a pick-up! I bought a Ridgeline and it suits my needs perfectly. Drives like a car and is a pick up when I need it...like yesterday! And I threw a Softopper on it and that is a great dog house that goes up and down in a minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chupacabra View Post
    IMHO these sort of truck like vehicles are better suited to everyday driving and occasional home improvement type truck bed use, than midsize and 1/2-ton pickups, because they drive better and get better MPG.

    Open bed for dirty, smelly, or wet stuff. Muddy bikes, fishing gear, wetsuits... The very small bed on the Maverick and Santa Cruz is pushing it for bike use though.
    Completely agree with that, and I think they are pushing it. The Ridgeline's bed is almost ten inches longer.

    I wonder if the market research discovered that almost nobody that buys what Americans think of as a small pickup actually uses the bed - but wouldn't buy the equivalent suv. You can't throw a rock in this town without hitting a double cab short bed tacoma, and the majority of them are used as family cars. (I call them "minivans for men")

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    And isn't the 5 foot Tacoma bed the more popular configuration? An additional half foot compared to the Maverick is hardly a difference maker for the target market.

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    This probably belongs in the Jeep/SUV thread, but Ford is rolling out a new Explorer that looks pretty interesting. Price tag is a bit much, but will be in the ballpark of a slightly used 4Runner. Maybe it's just the British Green color I'm digging...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    Completely agree with that, and I think they are pushing it. The Ridgeline's bed is almost ten inches longer.
    Yeah, I already had a 1up rack, so even with a pickup, I'm using a bike rack. I considered using the bed and ditching the 1up, but the bed is for the dogs, and the rack is for the bike. Plus my girl is getting older, so the 1up (with my custom cover step) acts as a nice step for her to get in and out of the bed.

    As a former carpenter during my ski bum years, I do find it comical when someone mentions with their chest out, "can't haul lumber with that baby truck!". Well yeah, that's why lumber yards deliver and if you're hauling job lumber with your own truck then you have a really little business operation, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    In the land of utes and hilux style trucks, which in the last 20 yrs were often 4 door with short beds, tradies would install a tradesman rack https://www.theuteshop.com.au/produc...s/trade-racks/ and/or use a small trailer for things that didn’t fit in the bed.

    The car-based utes IME generally had what ‘Mericans would consider a narrow bed of limited utility.

    It’s been said many times here, but the DIY types in other countries with occasional hauling needs just have a trailer. Easy to load, etc.
    See these all over mtn towns. Probably beach towns too.

    Still, that Maverick looks interesting, even just for the MPG it will attain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazderati View Post
    And isn't the 5 foot Tacoma bed the more popular configuration? An additional half foot compared to the Maverick is hardly a difference maker for the target market.
    True, but I wonder where the breaking point is (IMO they've reached it, but I'm not their market)

    When does Mrs Maverick put her foot down? When you can't even haul your own ikea boxes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supermoon View Post
    If you go anywhere else in the world you see tons of tiny little pickups all over the place. They all canít be wrong. Anything wet, dirty, or tall is better outside your vehicle.
    but those^^ places are not America

    ""The Chicken Tax is a 25 percent tariff on light trucks (and originally on potato starch, dextrin, and brandy) imposed in 1964 by the United States under President Lyndon B. Johnson in response to tariffs placed by France and West Germany on importation of U.S. chicken. The period from 1961Ė1964 of tensions and negotiations surrounding the issue was known as the " Chicken War ", taking place at the height of Cold War politics.""

    thats ^^ why that Subaru PU the Brat had rear ward facing seats to make it a passenger car
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    Maverick opinions aside, Ford will sell a ton of these to suburban folks who want to haul their bike around, pick up mulch at Home Depot and park it in tight spots.

    Ford is killing it right now with the new Bronco/Bronco Sport, e - F150 and now this. The Hyundai Santa Cruz will flop simply because Ford's is the name in trucks right now. If anyone can sell a little, pick up ute to 30 something suburban yuppies, it's Ford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazderati View Post
    And isn't the 5 foot Tacoma bed the more popular configuration? An additional half foot compared to the Maverick is hardly a difference maker for the target market.
    up here the long bed Tacoma is more popular probably by > 4 to 1, also for some reason most small PU's are or were excab so you almost never see a single cab ranger/ tacoma/ s-10

    if i did i would look for an American plate SO that might be different down south
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    - I think 95% of homeowner project shit can be hauled with any vehicle. Pickups (of any size, Mav included) are great for sheet goods, sure. My dad is as DIY as it gets (I'm aspirant, but less skilled) so I've done plenty of projects, and unless you're grabbing sheet goods or a new large appliance (they will deliver this), or hauling heavy awkward things like big plants monthly I think this perk overstated.
    - I live in what is basically a high desert climate, no kids, no dogs, so I likely under-appreciate the "haul wet dirty shit" component. It never rains here. When it does it's usually a surprise to some degree and I'm glad my stuff stays dry inside the vehicle. Muddy toys go on hitch racks. Wetsuits go in plastic totes. A gritty p/u bed is no place for a wetsuit you care about even a little. Surfing contractors that drive big trucks use totes (totes rule!).

    TLDR I still don't really get the appeal of a small open bed for 99% of us. The rest of the truck sounds great because it's like a car. Cheap, great mileage and if you're into the bed, right on, I just don't see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    I wonder if the market research discovered that almost nobody that buys what Americans think of as a small pickup actually uses the bed - but wouldn't buy the equivalent suv.
    I'd be stoked if a huge segment of the 2WD Tacoma crowd went for a more fuel efficient vehicle like the Maverick, I'm just not sure the Mav looks cool enough for that group.

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