Trucks.

[Chugachjed]

I'm like you bra. I guess the Yota dealerships were right next door to the Ford dealers where you grew up too?
I always liked'em, and friends had SR5s with 22Rs and later 6-cylinders and they were fun and reliable...I even knew a Toyota dealer who went to jail for bank fraud financing everyone [a mini-CDO scam where the bankers he was in with immediately sold your bad-credit financing for a maxed-out truck to several payday loan-type operations...]...

But hell the Ford dealer was right next door and you couldn't sit at the wheel and open the passenger door with your seatbelt on in a Ford - it was too far away. And the Fords got the same or maybe a couple mpg better than the Yotas [never could get over that] and cost a couple grand less...and you knew a Ford AC was just gonna blow colder and the electric windows were gonna still work when you traded it in...

Outside or someplace had a story about a guy who lives in his rigged out Taco. Has to sleep scrunched up because his truck isn't wide enough, but at least he gets to do it in a Taco instead of spending less $$$ on an American truck that's wider and, you know, pretty much does everything else better for cheaper.

I couldn’t agree more I just spent a bunch of time shopping for a newer half ton ish pickup. In the price range I was looking at, $15k, all the Toyota’s were beat, pre 2006, and had 200k miles. I looked at a couple older one tons and 3/4 but the f-150 with the eco boost has more power and torque and similar towing/payload to a 90s gas F350 plus has trailer brake controller. Half tons now have a 2000+ pounds of payload wtf.

[evasive_MT]

My buddy is rolling this beast right now. It is sooooo nice.
His is white with a black roof.
If I didn't have a company car, I would be all in on this thing.

We bought one 3 weeks ago. Digging it.

[Conundrum]

Why is it that the truck someone is driving is always far superior than the truck anyone else is driving?

I've owned both Fords and Toyotas. The Fords were cheaper to buy, more expensive to maintain, and sold for less when I was done with them. F150s are also the most selling pickup ever. There will always be anecdotal stories one way or another for any vehicle.

Buy what you want that you can pay for and give no fucks about what other people are driving.

[TAFKALVS]

My tundra has been great so far. Best all around truck I've owned. Drives like a car. Comfortable seats and driving position. Great aftermarket since it's been basically the same truck since 2007. Easy to work on. Plenty of power.

Yes I get mid teens gas mileage but that's been the case with literally every 1/2 3/4 or 1 ton truck I've owned, gas or diesel. In real world driving especially in the mountains its way better on fuel than my 3rd gen Tacoma.

My observation of Ford f150 including both gens of Raptor, they seem to have a lot of constant little problems... good thing they were under warranty.

Personally a Tundra is the only "new" truck I'd buy... otherwise I'd be looking at Chevy/GMC or Dodge from 10 years ago. The electronics and shit on the new trucks is so complicated and they have so many untested doodads...

[ncskier]

My tundra has been great so far. Best all around truck I've owned. Drives like a car. Comfortable seats and driving position. Great aftermarket since it's been basically the same truck since 2007. Easy to work on. Plenty of power.

Yes I get mid teens gas mileage but that's been the case with literally every 1/2 3/4 or 1 ton truck I've owned, gas or diesel. In real world driving especially in the mountains its way better on fuel than my 3rd gen Tacoma.

My observation of Ford f150 including both gens of Raptor, they seem to have a lot of constant little problems... good thing they were under warranty.

Personally a Tundra is the only "new" truck I'd buy... otherwise I'd be looking at Chevy/GMC or Dodge from 10 years ago. The electronics and shit on the new trucks is so complicated and they have so many untested doodads...

Definitely true. My 2017 superduty has run great but I bought the 7 years 125k Ford esp plan. I wasn’t too sure at $2100 but this past December my heated steering and front camera crapped out. They gave me a loaner for 5 weeks of another super duty and the repairs were over $3k. I already got my money out of the warranty. It’s the doodads I fear and was already proven right with only 46,000 miles on the odometer

[Conundrum]

My tundra has been great so far. Best all around truck I've owned. Drives like a car. Comfortable seats and driving position. Great aftermarket since it's been basically the same truck since 2007. Easy to work on. Plenty of power.

Yes I get mid teens gas mileage but that's been the case with literally every 1/2 3/4 or 1 ton truck I've owned, gas or diesel. In real world driving especially in the mountains its way better on fuel than my 3rd gen Tacoma.

My observation of Ford f150 including both gens of Raptor, they seem to have a lot of constant little problems... good thing they were under warranty.

Personally a Tundra is the only "new" truck I'd buy... otherwise I'd be looking at Chevy/GMC or Dodge from 10 years ago. The electronics and shit on the new trucks is so complicated and they have so many untested doodads...

Traded in my '13 eco boost F150 last year with 80k on it. Blown turbo, two sets of warped rotors that Ford covered even after 36k as a known issue, a radio/blue tooth/HVAC control system that worked half the time that they wanted to replace for me but couldn't technically find anything wrong with so couldn't. Suspension that sagged in the rear so bad I had to get airbags if I had a 600 lb tongue weight trailer on it and wallowed in the front until I upgraded to Bilstein coil overs. 16 mpg overall. Yeah, the eco boost put out some power but the turbo lag was a bummer. It only left me stranded twice.

The '19 Tundra I got in '18 has been great so far for 15k miles.

See, anecdotal stories on why one truck isn't great. When I bought the '13, I was looking at Tacomas and then I saw what my money would get me with a F150 and went that direction. I was coming from and F350 DCLB and didn't really need a full size but the F150 made sense on paper. Would I look at F150s again? Sure, it will be interesting to see what they offer in 12-15 years if my current Toyota is anything like the 1st gen Tacoma I had.

Nobody likes to hear that someone had issues with "their" pickup but it happens. Especially when there's a bunch of them on the road.

[XXX-er]

I couldn’t agree more I just spent a bunch of time shopping for a newer half ton ish pickup. In the price range I was looking at, $15k, all the Toyota’s were beat, pre 2006, and had 200k miles. I looked at a couple older one tons and 3/4 but the f-150 with the eco boost has more power and torque and similar towing/payload to a 90s gas F350 plus has trailer brake controller. Half tons now have a 2000+ pounds of payload wtf.

so help me with the downside or the upside here, was it the high resale value of the Toyota product or the low resale value of the Ford, and which cost more to begin with when new ... which would indicate the truck had higher depreciation ?

[Conundrum]

To be fair, I had never bought a new truck until a '19 Tundra in '18. Couldn't even find anything used with less than 30k at any price within 500 miles of me. More miles than that and my math said about $1,000/10,000 miles discount from new pricing on a used Tundra so I bought a new one. All other brands were a different story. Maybe there's a bunch of people selling low mile domestic trucks for a lot off original new price because...well...I'm not really sure why. I'm not an economist.

I go back to my original statement. Who gives a shit what other people drive? I like what I drive and can afford to drive it so I'm happy. If more people wanted what I wanted, I would have to pay more for it. So good, I'm glad I don't want/have to have what everybody else does.

[BCMtnHound]

I still lament the old size of the toyota pickup and 1st gen taco (I still have my 03 as a daily driver). The 2nd gen tacos are just too wide for narrow trails, and not wide enough when a large truck is desired. If they made my old 85 marty mcfly 22RE, with only the luxury items of that time (AC, decent stereo, cruise, skyroof, and that's it) I would buy a new one in a heartbeat, but that market is long gone in NA.
These days I tend to chevy/gm for 1/2ton personal pick-up, but that is just me. With the work fleet, the 3/4ton and 1ton fords are the best money spent for work pick-ups IMO. The toyota tundras are nice but not work trucks, at a premium price, and dodges are dodgy, but also nice to drive while they are under warranty. These are all gas trucks. The diesel conversation is a whole other bailiwick.

[Name Redacted]

Downsized today, traded in the F150 that I just put a new engine in and took a beating.
Got a new Tacoma at a decent deal.
Glad to be done with Ford.
The taco is really nice. Honestly, I could care less about all the bells and whistles, I just want something that'll run forever and not feel like I'm getting raped every time a warning light comes on.
The Ford was the worst mistake I've made and that says a lot.

[XXX-er]

was the F-150 new when you bought it, what was depreciation like ?

[snowaddict91]

I still lament the old size of the toyota pickup and 1st gen taco (I still have my 03 as a daily driver). The 2nd gen tacos are just too wide for narrow trails, and not wide enough when a large truck is desired. If they made my old 85 marty mcfly 22RE, with only the luxury items of that time (AC, decent stereo, cruise, skyroof, and that's it) I would buy a new one in a heartbeat, but that market is long gone in NA.

Yup. My f150 is just so big for daily driving. I'd love to have a modern, truly small truck to daily.

[XXX-er]

I had a ranger which was a mini truck same size as the old Tacoma & early 90's Toyota trucks, they were too small, the mini trucks did not sell cuz america wanted at least a mid sized truck ... which is why Tacoma is a huge seller

[Name Redacted]

was the F-150 new when you bought it, what was depreciation like ?

Depreciated like a rock. I bought with 40k on the truck, traded it in at 80k with a new engine ($12K). $9K difference, ~2.5 years.

[altacoup]

Just bought a new base model GMC 1500 crew cab 4x4 for $34k out the door. Loving it so far but it is huge coming from my previous Astro van and outback.


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[highangle]

I still lament the old size of the toyota pickup and 1st gen taco (I still have my 03 as a daily driver). The 2nd gen tacos are just too wide for narrow trails, and not wide enough when a large truck is desired. If they made my old 85 marty mcfly 22RE, with only the luxury items of that time (AC, decent stereo, cruise, skyroof, and that's it) I would buy a new one in a heartbeat, but that market is long gone in NA.
These days I tend to chevy/gm for 1/2ton personal pick-up, but that is just me. With the work fleet, the 3/4ton and 1ton fords are the best money spent for work pick-ups IMO. The toyota tundras are nice but not work trucks, at a premium price, and dodges are dodgy, but also nice to drive while they are under warranty. These are all gas trucks. The diesel conversation is a whole other bailiwick.

I use an ATV on narrow trails. Or a Marin. Or some metal-edged touring skis...

If I lived in Afghanistan or frequently drove abandoned mine roads out of necessity like you, I probably wouldn't have had a Ford dealer so close to the Yota store, and hence wouldn't have been swayed by foolish American vehicles that break and are inconceivably hard to park in an urban bistro environment.
Frankly, I don't understand how you can bear to ponder American trucks that are just too wide to comfortably reach the passenger door for your children. You're doing us all a favor by posting here.

[highangle]

The Ford was the worst mistake I've made and that says a lot.

I don't know if you are telling us what you think you are telling us there...I for one would have to take something like a massive professional race effort overseas to even begin to have any fucking vehicle be in my Top 100 mistakes.

[MakersTeleMark]

The t100 with the 3.4 v6 was the most reliable pickup ever. Even better than the 22re, but was still a dog.

[Ted Striker]

The t100 with the 3.4 v6 was the most reliable pickup ever. Even better than the 22re, but was still a dog.

The last Toyota truck sold here that was made in Japan. They were built in one of the Hino factories. The 3.4 made plenty of power, but the truck was heavier than the 4runner. Sadly, it's getting tough to find a 95-98 with a good body around here these days.

[MakersTeleMark]

The last Toyota truck sold here that was made in Japan. They were built in one of the Hino factories. The 3.4 made plenty of power, but the truck was heavier than the 4runner. Sadly, it's getting tough to find a 95-98 with a good body around here these days.

Yep. And they all have 400k.

[alias_rice]

My tundra has been great so far. Best all around truck I've owned. Drives like a car. Comfortable seats and driving position. Great aftermarket since it's been basically the same truck since 2007. Easy to work on. Plenty of power.

Yes I get mid teens gas mileage but that's been the case with literally every 1/2 3/4 or 1 ton truck I've owned, gas or diesel. In real world driving especially in the mountains its way better on fuel than my 3rd gen Tacoma.

My observation of Ford f150 including both gens of Raptor, they seem to have a lot of constant little problems... good thing they were under warranty.

Personally a Tundra is the only "new" truck I'd buy... otherwise I'd be looking at Chevy/GMC or Dodge from 10 years ago. The electronics and shit on the new trucks is so complicated and they have so many untested doodads...

This has pretty much been my experience with my Tundra. I bought it new in 13 just as the new body styles came out so I got a pretty good deal on it. Other than routine maintenance I have had to do zero work on it. I looked around a few months ago at new trucks, and decided I had no reason to upgrade. It seems like the American trucks have surpassed the Tundra in pretty much every category except reliability.

[Name Redacted]

The last Toyota truck sold here that was made in Japan. They were built in one of the Hino factories. The 3.4 made plenty of power, but the truck was heavier than the 4runner. Sadly, it's getting tough to find a 95-98 with a good body around here these days.

Traded in my '98 Taco for that Ford. Sadly, it was time. 280K and rust around the windshield was so bad that it would take some serious rigging to get another installed properly, also it was time for a new timing belt, and the tires were bald, electrical was shot, etc. Just a culmination of things that at the time I didn't think were worth fixing. Traded it in for $4k, bought it a decade earlier for $10k. That ain't happening anymore. Still wish I had kept it and turned it into a rock crawler or something. I swear I passed it on the highway the other day near Salida.

[Name Redacted]

It seems like the American trucks have surpassed the Tundra in pretty much every category except reliability.

Yup. I drove a brand new, fully loaded Ranger while my F150 was getting a new engine. 2.5 months. I gotta say, it was actually pretty fun. Drove well, good pickup, the turbo runs well. 4cyl w/ turbo. Good gas mileage, electronics and all the components were set up pretty well. Seat heaters were the hottest I've ever had which was nice for my bad back.

However, it was a Ford so it might not make it to 80k without needing a new engine and turbo and it was FUGLY. The front grill makes those little rangers look like they are still trying to be a car or Japanese delivery vehicle. Weird that Ford, the company that started the massive grill fad, didn't send the memo to the Ranger design team.

Also, the pricing, at least for some models was only a little bit short of Tacoma pricing. \

[frorider]

The last Toyota truck sold here that was made in Japan. They were built in one of the Hino factories. The 3.4 made plenty of power, but the truck was heavier than the 4runner. Sadly, it's getting tough to find a 95-98 with a good body around here these days.

Yup. My ‘97 T100 was indeed a great truck. Sold it in 2015, zero rust, front end and clutch all original and still working fine. There are tons of them here in Tahoe. Surprising amount of contractors covet them. Neighbor runs a landscaping business, tells anyone he’ll buy their T100s if they want to sell.

[TNKen]

I have a 2018 Chevy 2500 Diesel High Country. Last spring, it got whacked in an accident. While in the shop, I had rentals of a Ford F250 diesel and Ram 2500 diesel.

In terms of ranking, Chevy, Ram, Ford. To my surprise, the Ram was actually quiet, ran good, pulled hard, and the transmission was smooth. The Ford was somewhat more noisy, rougher ride, lacked power compared to the other two, and the transmission didn't shift quite as smooth.

I had the Ford for about 5 weeks and the Ram for about 3. Put lots of miles on both pulling the boat to Nashville several times striper fishing.