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  1. #76
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    Love my 1st gens more every day I ski them. Which is actually more often than I expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghosthop View Post
    I would love the opportunity to A/B w/ OG Cochise, gunsmoke, and rustler.
    I bought me last week the Rustler 11 in 188 on an impulse of having a light ski which still can be pushed hard. Technically it skis pretty similar to my 186 OG Bodacious. It can be slarved, carved, put in any turn shape and whatever. Very intuitive and easy to ski. However, to think the Rustler can actually replace a Bodacious is IMO an illusion. Some points wort sharing:
    1) Due to the tighter radius the Rustler wants to turn. Arcing big turns is not as natural and effortless as with the Bode.
    2) The light construction lacks significantly of dampness. This is not a problem in softer conditions. On uneven hard snow, like hard bumpy slopes or frozen 3D snow, the speed limit is considerably lower.
    3) The skis are somehow prone to torsional chatter on hard surface while hard edging, a phenomenon known to me in elderly DPS carbon constructions
    4) The softer flex is not as confidence inspiring in steep consequential terrain with variable snow, think bigger lines in the Alps in less than ideal conditions.
    All in all the 188 feels slightly overpowered for me and I think that the 192 might be a better match.

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    bump

  4. #79
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    sounds like I should rethink my idea of parting ways with mine

    this thread doesnít have enough OG cochise stoke








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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    sounds like I should rethink my idea of parting ways with mine

    this thread doesnít have enough OG cochise stoke







    Worst ski decision I made was selling my 193s. Ive been trying to find a replacement since...


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    Katanas no good?


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    Blizzard Cochise too stiff for me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuse View Post
    Katanas no good?


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    can you convince volkl to bring back the metal og katana? I regret not buying one 3 years ago when I found an old stock one online!

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    I keep trying. We need a group of 100 people on here to convince them maybe?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuse View Post
    I keep trying. We need a group of 100 people on here to convince them maybe?


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    3rd, always regretted selling my Katana for a Cochise. Thought the Confession would solve this...but no.

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    Katana was a great ski if you needed to ski some crud really fast while carrying a tray of beers without spilling any

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    Blizzard Cochise too stiff for me?

    Katanas are pretty easy to ski for how stable they are. Great tree ski for the big mtn gun it is. Full rocker helps a lot. I feel like I couldnt make a mistake on the katanas if I tried, although Iím probably making tons throughout the course of the day on them. A big mtn missile that hides your mistakes is a one of a kind feeling. Worth $retail easily.

    Not all that stiff flexing in the 191. Its like a 191 Wren or 189 BG flex. And similar ease and forgiveness to Wrens, maybe more forgiving like the BGs. Speed limit is higher on the Katanas, but I cant verify that. All of those have speed limits greater than mine. Katana feels better for raging though. Still not close to a M108 though, in terms of confidence at speed and ability to just bash shit and not feel it.


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    WWMD? After reading through some of this thread I'm torn.

    Just picked up the 2018's for a song but prior to finding them I was just going to remount my OG pair. Love the OG pair but couldn't pass up the deal on the new ones. Arrrgggghhh.

    Maybe split the difference and just mount up one of each??

    On a side note has anyone skied the newer gen ones at +2? That's where they line up with my boots at the current mount. Pulled one binding and there is a second mount for wardens on the line.

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    Blizzard Cochise too stiff for me?

    The new ones also seem sweet though..


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    I can't put my beat-to-shit OG's away even though I have a new pair of 2G(?) red & blue's ready to go. Maybe this year.

    Was there any diff on the follow-up r&b's from og?

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    when i asked the old tennant/ski bro how he liked the Cchise he said they were awesume ski but its suprising just how bad of a powder ski they are

    and i concur
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiBall View Post
    I can't put my beat-to-shit OG's away even though I have a new pair of 2G(?) red & blue's ready to go. Maybe this year.

    Was there any diff on the follow-up r&b's from og?
    the ski was not changed for the first three years. your red and blue ones are identical to the original except for the top sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaytaeMoney View Post
    the ski was not changed for the first three years. your red and blue ones are identical to the original except for the top sheet.
    Thank you. Need to look into some bindings and mount em up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soups View Post
    WWMD? After reading through some of this thread I'm torn.

    Just picked up the 2018's for a song but prior to finding them I was just going to remount my OG pair. Love the OG pair but couldn't pass up the deal on the new ones. Arrrgggghhh.

    Maybe split the difference and just mount up one of each??


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    so how are the new cochises different?
    had the 193 OGs but they were a bit too much for me when i was not on top of my game ...
    however i miss them sometimes for their i can destroy anything at speed attitude



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    Quote Originally Posted by salx View Post
    so how are the new cochises different?
    had the 193 OGs but they were a bit too much for me when i was not on top of my game ...
    however i miss them sometimes for their i can destroy anything at speed attitude



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    The newer ones have more camber and less rocker. Not sure how or if the layup changed at all.

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    Blizzard Cochise too stiff for me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soups View Post
    The newer ones have more camber and less rocker. Not sure how or if the layup changed at all.
    The carbon in the tip and tails makes a big impact on the ski, too. While I occasionally disagree with Blister, I think their reviews of the OG and newest iteration Cochise are accurate. Same name, but skis that feel very different.

    I owned the remake/update but sold it after a few days. Very powerful ski (felt nearly like a Comp ski) but didnít manage deep mank and crud as effortlessly as the OG model, which I ski a lot in the Cascades. However, the groomer performance of the new version is a marked improvement.

    If I skied somewhere with big lines, longer groomers, and less deep/heavy snow, I would probably prefer the newest model. Also, it will kick you in the rear if you get lazy on it. Most of the ďforgiving chargerĒ characteristics of the OG model feel absent from the current version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    when i asked the old tennant/ski bro how he liked the Cchise he said they were awesume ski but its suprising just how bad of a powder ski they are

    and i concur
    How bad is bad? I picked up a pair of the black/orange shop Cochise to be my side country skis. Whatís so bad about them in powder? Are they so bad Iíll go back to carrying fatter skis when they arenít needed?

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    The answer is that "it depends". I have some softer shorter radius skis and when I switch from them back to the Cochise, the Cochise seems like a lot of work for the first few runs. So if you prefer a big fat noodley pow ski then yeah, you'll probably think that they suck in pow. Fact is it's a heavy, stiff ski with two sheets of metal... not your typical playful powder ski.

    As usual it comes down to personal preference and what you will be using them for, they are not "bad" but they work best when skied fast, straight down the fall line while making longer radius turns. So if your typical sidecountry laps involve farming pow turns at low speed or tight trees, pillow popping, etc it's not gonna be the best tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    when i asked the old tennant/ski bro how he liked the Cchise he said they were awesume ski but its suprising just how bad of a powder ski they are

    and i concur
    I found no problems in anything from 10"-35" of Utah snow. In fact I grabbed them way more often than my rocker 2 115.

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    I bought the pair Bandit Man ^^^ unloaded. I have a large quiver of Blizzards and others, and the Cochise is my soft snow ski of choice more often than not. I skied it in Las Lenas this year in variable conditions. Cat skiing off the back side we had powder, breakable crust, and corn in the same day. I never wished I was on a different ski.
    I'm mounted about 4 or 5 mm back of recommended because it was drilled for a smaller boot. I got a new pair this summer at the blowout price and will mount them back the same way. The top sheets chip like crazy though.

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