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  1. #1401
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    Quote Originally Posted by unpossible View Post
    Any TMRF sightings?
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    Good waves off Sherwood today. Hope everyone had a good Christmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aevergreene View Post
    Some great laps in mott canyon today. Face shots, probably the deepest of the year.

    Going to try to get into the backcountry this next week, if anyone needs a partner PM me because i need one too. Im a skinning newb (been bootpacking the past few years in JH), but im in shape, ski hard and can ski anything (steeps, trees, chutes)
    If you're a BC newb be careful out there, it's no joke right now. I wouldn't go chasing any steeps.
    I ski 135 degree chutes switch to the road.

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    Not a BC newb, just a tahoe newb and dynafiddle newb
    Last edited by aevergreene; 12-25-2015 at 11:58 PM.

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    Big natural at mammoth mountain on the night of the 23rd:

    http://www.esavalanche.org/content/n...edium=facebook

    Naturaly trigger avalanche during the storm / heavy winds likely during the night of Dec 23rd.  Hard wind slab, 2.5-6' crown that wrapped around most of bowl.  Released just below ridge top at convexity.  Broke several small trees in run-out zone.  Hard slab, pencil hardness, ran on pencil hardness layer with no obvious weak layer in between.  Did NOT run to ground
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  6. #1406
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    Quote Originally Posted by lepistoir View Post
    Big natural at mammoth mountain on the night of the 23rd:

    http://www.esavalanche.org/content/n...edium=facebook

    Naturaly trigger avalanche during the storm / heavy winds likely during the night of Dec 23rd.  Hard wind slab, 2.5-6' crown that wrapped around most of bowl.  Released just below ridge top at convexity.  Broke several small trees in run-out zone.  Hard slab, pencil hardness, ran on pencil hardness layer with no obvious weak layer in between.  Did NOT run to ground
    I've been wondering if anyone has ever been buried by hanging fire while posing next to a crown?

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    Plenty left. Be safe.
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  8. #1408
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    I've been wondering if anyone has ever been buried by hanging fire while posing next to a crown?
    I'm sure it's happened. Usually they go out there with a rope to be safe. It's not something I would volunteer for.
    I ski 135 degree chutes switch to the road.

  9. #1409
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    SDS

    Steep Deep and Stable

    Sloppy seconds behind Gimpy and JT, but even the scraps were amazing


















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    just an incredible season so far - slow build - constant cold - now a double whammy storm that gives us deep coverage and a coating of pow just for good measure. Tho I wouldn't go so far as to say "it was worth the wait", it is interesting how the long dry spell sharpens your senses and tunes you to be ready for and take advantage of and appreciate the snow when it finally comes in a glorious onslaught of winter.

    been tooling around inbounds at Heavenly past few days, til this morning headed up 89 past Camp Rich to ski a South TAhoe cLLAssiC for the first time in 3 seasons, which is skiing great and very approachable.

    odd encounters today included a large porcupine and a drone.

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    The first heavy storm a couple days ago was tricky: wind-protected places were creamy and fun, wind-hammered places were chalky and ultra-smooth ("groomed by nature")...it's the exposures where it switched back and forth that got you in trouble.

    Christmas Eve, on the other hand, was the best run I've had in several years, and Christmas Day was amazing too. I've almost forgotten how much fun skiing is. Welcome back, winter. I've missed you.

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    Shit. Left behind some poles at powderhouse lot today. Holla if you picked them up.

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    First time in a couple years able to ski something not dependent on high elevation at the passes and resorts. Lake level skiing is back
    Fuk yeah!

  14. #1414
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    yesterday was another great day. got a late start since hutchski left her studfinder back at her place. took the dogs up to the local hill for a run. this tree equals flagpole


    there were huge banners on freel and trimmer as we started, but the winds had died completely by the time we reached the saddle. the ski down was awesome as you'd expect for tahoe this year. stoke was exceptionally assholish though. nacho was an angel


    i managed to break free for a few turns here


    hutchski outpaces stoke and is stoked


    then it was off to a busy night at work. at midnight we left for kirkwood with a few beers and thermos of schnapps and hot cocoa. we were worried about the cold temps especially driving through hope valley where it was already -8. by the time we reached the upper lot at the wood it was up to 12 dergrees and no wind whatsoever.
    the crux of the skin up


    time for schnapps and selfies


    the ski down was 'interesting', and shooting action shots with a flash at night is above our current pay grade


    hutchski enjoys a nice crust


    and then some steepish ice



    couple of other things.
    1. climbing up flagpole i looked across at freel and noticed a cloud just above fountainplace. it was totally out of place and dissipated very quickly. the only thing we figured it could be was the powder cloud from an avalanche

    b) on the way back from the wood at 4am the temperature in the hope valley had risen to +3. weird
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  15. #1415
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    So happy to see you guys getting it good after those rough years.

    Somehow I've made it through 30+ years of skiing and never done a Tahoe trip. Managed to finagle an upcoming business trip to SF, so I fly in and out of Reno and can get a day in on the way in, and a day on the way out.

    I land l-a-t-e on a sunday night. Planning to do first half of the day monday at squaw, second half at alpine.
    Fly back late again on Friday, was thinking I'd leave SF early and do a kirkwood day.

    Am I doing it right? Is the half day at AM worth it or should I save that for next time and do full day at squaw?

    Also, am I going to run into any DOT problems with an AWD car without snows/chains? no option for chains or snows on the rental. If chain control's running will I get turned around on all-seasons?

    Thanks doods.

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    You'll be fine. Law says you must carry chains but that's not enforced on AWD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powdork View Post
    You'll be fine. Law says you must carry chains but that's not enforced on AWD.
    The chp made me show chains at Pickets Junction with AWD car. All normal rental cars will M&S tires and they will check for that and tread depth too.

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    optics - that's a good plan and those are the three places to hit for sure. Alpine Meadows is definitely worth checking out - don't buy into the KSL marketing that it's an intermediate mountain - you can scare yourself plenty over there just the same. It does make sense to do Squaw in the morning, since in the afternoon you can traverse and hike for fresh lines at Alpine... although a lot depends on the specifics of that day (wind, how much it snowed the night before, etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    The chp made me show chains at Pickets Junction with AWD car. All normal rental cars will M&S tires and they will check for that and tread depth too.
    How long ago was that? Haven't seen them at Picketts in forever. I have had them check tread depth there (I failed but they let me through anyway). They've asked if I had chains but didn't make me show them. If they do ask there will be chain monkeys there and you could most likely buy some.
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  20. #1420
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    ^^ guessing rental cars are easy pickings an picket junction

    Pow got a little heavier and consolidated yesterday but really fast and playful

    shakyknees looking out over his domain saying "Nearly Everything Go's!"


    And seems satisfied with the days objective


    Log jibbing

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    Quote Originally Posted by optics View Post
    So happy to see you guys getting it good after those rough years.

    Somehow I've made it through 30+ years of skiing and never done a Tahoe trip. Managed to finagle an upcoming business trip to SF, so I fly in and out of Reno and can get a day in on the way in, and a day on the way out.

    I land l-a-t-e on a sunday night. Planning to do first half of the day monday at squaw, second half at alpine.
    Fly back late again on Friday, was thinking I'd leave SF early and do a kirkwood day.

    Am I doing it right? Is the half day at AM worth it or should I save that for next time and do full day at squaw?

    Also, am I going to run into any DOT problems with an AWD car without snows/chains? no option for chains or snows on the rental. If chain control's running will I get turned around on all-seasons?

    Thanks doods.
    A lot depends on weather. AM is a better option on a bluebird powder day--less competition for fresh tracks. On a storm day Squaw is the call--KT is usually running and is the best lift in America; AM more likely to have the upper lifts, which are the good ones, closed. As far as Kirkwood your options might depend on road closures in a big storm. If it's raining to the summits of everything go to a casino. As far as whether to split a day between Alpine and Squaw--easy enough to shuttle over to AM if for some reason you get bored at Squaw, easy enough to make the call on the day.

    I've never been asked about chains for my Suby on I80.

  22. #1422
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    For anyone silly enough to look at alpine objectives right now ... the sun and wind have conspired against you so choose terrain wisely. It's now ski crampons and self-arrest tool conditions until the next storm comes in.

    Ottime and I went for a walk at CPSSR on Sunday 12/27 ... we found edgeable windboard and smooth windbuff on a west facing aspect at CP yesterday, but all other aspects above treeline are totally fucked by wind and sun. The S wind for Sunday came in harder than forecasted, blowing a very consistent 30-50 throughout the day at ridgelines, with sustained 50 MPH in the afternoon that created wraparound winds on other aspects that really dove up and downslope above treeline, not just at ridgeline elevations. As the wind rotated from W during the 12/24 storm to N Xmas night to E on Saturday and then back to S on Sunday it basically jacked up every aspect that was not due west, even deep rock-protected coolies. The sun created a 1/2" crust on south faces at upper elevations that got glazed over and frozen solid by winds - boot penetrable but not ski penetrable (e.g., use ski crampons). South faces at ridgelines were completly stripped but really fat about 100' below. North and east faces were bulletproof windboard top to bottom, in some cases edgeable and in other cases not (we both had had some exciting lost-edge slides on non-edgeable N-facing apron yesterday). Lots of firm bigass sastrugi out there and some of the windboard and suncrusts may be now deceptively hidden by the 1-2" of new snow from last night. Some big cornices now exist on north, east, and west facing ridges and local terrain features (e.g., boulders and downed trees).

    My advice, stay well below ridgelines or in the trees until next storm

    ~~~~

    Regarding stability and fear mongering from last week ... well I was personally optimistic over the previous weekend that the 6" of SWE forecasted to hit in a big bang would crush and/or rip and reset existing weak layers before locking up the snowpack, which basically did happen. But you don't always get that benefit that will happen and need to temper optimism with caution; wait for or go out and get good data after the loading event to develop confidence that deeper slides won't happen before committing to terrain choices where the problem could exist. This is exactly why Deep Slab showed up on the problem list last week until we had more observations came in.

    We should be afraid of slides that can rip 3 to 8' deep, it's called considering consequences of a path going vs. certainty of stability. We should be afraid, and we should have that discussion with our partners regarding the depth and location of the current avalanche problems, even at Jakes and Powderhouse to avoid those rocky chutes & terrain traps where thinner depth and buried terrain features could more easily allow a trigger and create that "surprise" that I was referring to in my previous post. That's the point I didn't get across very well in my earlier post.

    I admit, I was being pretty emotional about it when I posted last week, afraid of people getting after it without having that discussion first, but your perspective changes when you watch your friend die in a step-down to a 4' persistent slab because you didn't have that discussion (and it was two years ago basically to the date so I had a lot on my mind). It happens in Tahoe too, and it happens especially when conditions are unusual with buried crust-facet sandwiches or SH layers, even in "micro" terrain below treeline. I referred to Ward Canyon 3/1/2012 in my previous post because it was a similar problem setup to what we had going into last week. Read this if you don't think step-downs are aren't something to be afraid of in California (based on Rockwood's firsthand account at CAW2015, some of the minor details in this report aren't accurate but the big points are all there). I will add that there was a good delay, it sounded like around 10-20 seconds, between when the initial windslab went and when the deeper persistent slab ripped out - this wasn't reported in the incident report but Rockwood mentioned it during his talk.
    http://www.sierraavalanchecenter.org...stanford-rocks

    I guess in summary, choose whatever terrain you want, but at least have that discussion about problem consequences vs. certainty before you do. Fair enough?

    Anyways, happy turns going into the New Year everyone ... enjoy the start to the season and have some good Type 1 and 2 fun out there!

    Quote Originally Posted by powdork View Post
    climbing up flagpole i looked across at freel and noticed a cloud just above fountainplace. it was totally out of place and dissipated very quickly. the only thing we figured it could be was the powder cloud from an avalanche
    Interesting ... I wonder if it was a cornice collapse trigger. It would be cool to tiptoe into the area to see if a slide happened, how deep of a crown etc, assuming no other creepy cornices hanging over that zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio View Post
    For anyone silly enough to look at alpine objectives right now ... the sun and wind have conspired against you so choose terrain wisely. It's now ski crampons and self-arrest tool conditions until the next storm comes in.

    Ottime and I went for a walk at CPSSR on Sunday 12/27 ... we found edgeable windboard and smooth windbuff on a west facing aspect at CP yesterday, but all other aspects above treeline are totally fucked by wind and sun. The S wind for Sunday came in harder than forecasted, blowing a very consistent 30-50 throughout the day at ridgelines, with sustained 50 MPH in the afternoon that created wraparound winds on other aspects that really dove up and downslope above treeline, not just at ridgeline elevations. As the wind rotated from W during the 12/24 storm to N Xmas night to E on Saturday and then back to S on Sunday it basically jacked up every aspect that was not due west, even deep rock-protected coolies. The sun created a 1/2" crust on south faces at upper elevations that got glazed over and frozen solid by winds - boot penetrable but not ski penetrable (e.g., use ski crampons). South faces at ridgelines were completly stripped but really fat about 100' below. North and east faces were bulletproof windboard top to bottom, in some cases edgeable and in other cases not (we both had had some exciting lost-edge slides on non-edgeable N-facing apron yesterday). Lots of firm bigass sastrugi out there and some of the windboard and suncrusts may be now deceptively hidden by the 1-2" of new snow from last night. Some big cornices now exist on north, east, and west facing ridges and local terrain features (e.g., boulders and downed trees).

    My advice, stay well below ridgelines or in the trees until next storm

    ~~~~

    Regarding stability and fear mongering from last week ... well I was personally optimistic over the previous weekend that the 6" of SWE forecasted to hit in a big bang would crush and/or rip and reset existing weak layers before locking up the snowpack, which basically did happen. But you don't always get that benefit that will happen and need to temper optimism with caution; wait for or go out and get good data after the loading event to develop confidence that deeper slides won't happen before committing to terrain choices where the problem could exist. This is exactly why Deep Slab showed up on the problem list last week until we had more observations came in.

    We should be afraid of slides that can rip 3 to 8' deep, it's called considering consequences of a path going vs. certainty of stability. We should be afraid, and we should have that discussion with our partners regarding the depth and location of the current avalanche problems, even at Jakes and Powderhouse to avoid those rocky chutes & terrain traps where thinner depth and buried terrain features could more easily allow a trigger and create that "surprise" that I was referring to in my previous post. That's the point I didn't get across very well in my earlier post.

    I admit, I was being pretty emotional about it when I posted last week, afraid of people getting after it without having that discussion first, but your perspective changes when you watch your friend die in a step-down to a 4' persistent slab because you didn't have that discussion (and it was two years ago basically to the date so I had a lot on my mind). It happens in Tahoe too, and it happens especially when conditions are unusual with buried crust-facet sandwiches or SH layers, even in "micro" terrain below treeline. I referred to Ward Canyon 3/1/2012 in my previous post because it was a similar problem setup to what we had going into last week. Read this if you don't think step-downs are aren't something to be afraid of in California (based on Rockwood's firsthand account at CAW2015, some of the minor details in this report aren't accurate but the big points are all there). I will add that there was a good delay, it sounded like around 10-20 seconds, between when the initial windslab went and when the deeper persistent slab ripped out - this wasn't reported in the incident report but Rockwood mentioned it during his talk.
    http://www.sierraavalanchecenter.org...stanford-rocks

    I guess in summary, choose whatever terrain you want, but at least have that discussion about problem consequences vs. certainty before you do. Fair enough?

    Anyways, happy turns going into the New Year everyone ... enjoy the start to the season and have some good Type 1 and 2 fun out there!



    Interesting ... I wonder if it was a cornice collapse trigger. It would be cool to tiptoe into the area to see if a slide happened, how deep of a crown etc, assuming no other creepy cornices hanging over that zone.
    I think your conservative approach to ski touring is refreshing. Too many people just go for it and when nothing happens they say "See, I told it was solid/bomber/super stable etc.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio View Post
    Ottime and I went for a walk at CPSSR on Sunday 12/27
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    Silverado at Squaw

    Does anyone know why Silverado hasn't opened at Squaw yet?

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