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Thread: Another reason to HATE VAIL!
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08-09-2015, 06:55 PM #76
Another reason to HATE VAIL!
Yeah, but the truth is that I know a doctor who died because he was into the painkillers, and another who got busted and lost his ability to practice medicine for the same reason. Those guys were so out of control, you just have to assume they practiced impaired.
I suppose any doc could show up for work drunk, stoned or on pain meds, we as patients must trust they won't.
I know plenty of guys who went to college and toke, and function really well and are at the top of their game.
Should truck drivers, doctors, pilots, lawyers, etc. -anyone who can crater your life financially or physically- be drug tested? Or not?
My apologies for getting way off topic. Wanna hate Vail? Whatever floats your boat.
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08-09-2015, 07:04 PM #77
What's your point? Why are you posting that as a question?
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08-09-2015, 07:08 PM #78observing free range rude
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Having cannabis in your system, which is the only factual determination you can glean from testing someone, has no bearing on one's degree of impairment. The endocannabinoid system is complex and every user's body on earth processes the same inputs differently in terms of rate of metabolization, degree of storage in lipids for later release, degree of intoxication achieved from x dose, etc.
Before you start talking about testing someone for a non-lethal recreational drug, you need to have an effective and accurate method for determining levels of intoxication. If that cannot be achieved reliably, which should be a mandate given the bill of rights, you must exclude any sort of chemical testing from disciplinary action. If a doctor is smoking Headband before brain surgery, his peers and management will spot the issue and either cure his behavior or his place of employment.
What you're doing by engaging this conversation is taking attention away from pragmatic, science based solutions that can increase safety and using that misplaced focus to scrutinize the lives of non-threatening users. It's a witch hunt.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/18/he...marijuana.html
All of these facts lead experts like Dr. Romano and Dr. Kleiman to believe that public resources are better spent combating drunken driving. Stoned driving, they say, is best dealt with by discouraging people from mixing marijuana and alcohol — a combination that is even riskier than alcohol alone — and by policies that minimize marijuana’s risk on the road.
For instance, states that legalize recreational marijuana, Dr. Kleiman said, should ban establishments like pot bars that encourage people to smoke away from home. And Dr. Romano said that lowering the legal blood-alcohol concentration, or B.A.C., to 0.05 or even 0.02 percent would reduce risk far more effectively than any effort to curb stoned driving.
“I’m not saying marijuana is safe,” he said. “But to me it’s clear that lowering the B.A.C. should be our top priority. That policy would save more lives.”
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08-10-2015, 03:57 AM #79
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08-10-2015, 04:35 AM #80
That's a pretty severe synopsis. Remember, you are giving a "witch hunt" label to someone who supports legalization and holds no animosity towards users. Colorado has not unravelled.
I agree with most of the rest of your post. Alcohol is the greatest threat in terms of ruining lives and yet being widely accepted, I partake almost daily. My cop friend says he's had plenty of drunks want to fight him, high people not so much.
However, here's the problem. Alcohol can be quickly metabolized and be gone from your system quickly. Weed remains testable for weeks after use.
So despite my inane ramblings, the same basic question remains:
Testing for some people, or none for anyone? And secondly, if testing for some, where do you draw the line in terms of professional responsibility / danger to society?
If you answer either yes or no, no biggee, not a witch hunt. Just musing.
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08-10-2015, 11:19 AM #81observing free range rude
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Yes/no doesn't do the issue justice, but at present the only equitable solution is to not test for MJ. Testing for past use is effective and reliable. But there is little to no evidence that past use (not the same as present intoxication) poses a danger to society.
Testing for intoxication is unreliable and falls well short of the certainty achieved in a BAC test. Thus, there is no effective method for testing intoxication, which is the variable we are talking about trying to measure. I don't think banning recreational use of Cannabis is a fair limitation to impose on any profession or activity. If a brain surgeon can smoke a joint on a ski trip, a long haul truck driver should be able to eat a few gummies to decompress after a long shift. 24hour rule seems reasonable, but again, there's no way to know for sure when that threshold has been breached outside of clear visible/audible intoxication.
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08-10-2015, 10:56 PM #82observing free range rude
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03-19-2020, 03:18 PM #83Registered User
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They’re booting the seasonal employees out of housing.
What assholes!
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03-19-2020, 03:49 PM #84
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03-20-2020, 07:55 AM #85
The real reason to hate Vile Associates is they banned uphill travel at Mt Crested Butte
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03-20-2020, 08:16 AM #86
Eagle County had 50 cases as of yesterday. They told Vail it would be best if their seasonal employees went home.
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03-20-2020, 08:22 AM #87Banned
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04-01-2020, 05:14 PM #88
https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/n...hoo&yptr=yahoo
paycuts and lift upgrades suspended...4 Time Balboa Open Champion
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04-01-2020, 07:19 PM #89
Not they pay so well to start. Paycuts will be rough depending where they go.
Just last month, housing was a big issue and too many people in the mountains. The next couple years may have a different look.
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04-02-2020, 04:47 AM #90
I don’t get the thread title.
Do I need another reason to hate vail?
I think I have enough already. . .
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04-02-2020, 08:22 AM #91
^^^^^ right? Can’t find a reason to not. Fuckers
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04-04-2020, 04:42 PM #92Registered User
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The CEO of Vail Corp was really open in an open letter that he wrote last week. I've never seen someone write "I really don't know" in something that a shareholder would write. I don't get the warm fuzzies when I think of Vail, but I appreciated the honesty from the guy.
Originally Posted by Rob Katz
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04-05-2020, 09:08 AM #93Registered User
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That is the game plan every year at most ski areas. "Get off my mountain scum" does seem to be a Fall and Springtime mantra at mountain resorts. I believe it to be a case of "off my lawn" thinking on a corporate level. But don't worry about access to trails. Soon there will be little environmental opportunity to temp people.
Our fearless leader is diligently working to fend off a global pandemic by flushing environmental protection down the dumper. I am sure that will end our global crisis and get us all out hiking soon! After all the trump virus is magically going to go away...(pay no mind to the temporary morgues popping up in parking lots everywhere!)
If a world leader says that he makes his decisions by trusting his gut....Isn't that leader admitting that he has shit for brains?!
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04-05-2020, 09:19 AM #94
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04-05-2020, 09:21 AM #95Registered User
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04-05-2020, 02:16 PM #96
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04-06-2020, 04:03 PM #97Registered User
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Has anyone mentioned that the skiing isnt that good?
Vail = I-70 truckstop
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04-06-2020, 04:29 PM #98
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03-07-2021, 07:38 PM #99Registered User
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Kid is racing at Vail this week.
$436 for a two day ticket if I want to ski there.
F@#k that !
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03-07-2021, 08:58 PM #100
And no uphill travel, can’t skin to spectate. Fuckers
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