27.5+.....has the industry gone full moron?

[toast2266]

That's what the spec'd 35mm DT wheelset weighs on their site, that's the rear wheel travel of the bike, and the 900g is an average (real world weight) of the maxxis dhf/rekon tire combo.

Maybe you mean Inter-ass?

https://www.dtswiss.com/Wheels/MTB-W...e-TWO-27-5-(1)

http://www.maxxis.com/catalog/tire-468-121-minion-dhf

Internetting is hard.

[Damian Sanders]

https://www.dtswiss.com/Wheels/MTB-W...e-TWO-27-5-(1)

http://www.maxxis.com/catalog/tire-468-121-minion-dhf

Internetting is hard.

Here is the only 35MM INTERNAL "1700" series wheel on DT's site - 2200g:

https://www.dtswiss.com/Wheels/Hybri...ine-27-5-35-mm

The supposed 35mm M1700 wheelset the bike is using is not for sale yet and not on the DT website. Maybe they'll be lighter, say around 2000g, maybe not.



Minion DHF 27.5x2.6 EXO/TR/DC = 965g
Rekon 27.5x2.6 EXO/TR/DC = 805g
AVERAGE = 885g
Add 2.5% for real world weight = 907g

[toast2266]

That's an e-bike wheel you blathering twat.

[Damian Sanders]

That's an e-bike wheel you blathering twat.

Post some real specs on the M1700 35mm internal then.



I'd still say they are clocking in at 1950g claimed, and 2000g actual weight.

[toast2266]

Adding 5mm of width to an aluminum rim will generally add around 40-50g. So a 35mm internal M1700 should weigh about 50g more than the 30mm internal M1700 I linked to above. So that'd put them at around 1870g for the set.

So I'd say you're wrong.

[Damian Sanders]

Adding 5mm of width to an aluminum rim will generally add around 40-50g. So a 35mm internal M1700 should weigh about 50g more than the 30mm internal M1700 I linked to above. So that'd put them at around 1870g for the set.

So I'd say you're wrong.

Well, the difference between the 1501 30mm vs. 35mm internal is 120g claimed, or 60g PER RIM. The 30 mm M1700's you linked to list at 1820g. Thus, assuming the only difference is in the rims, the 35mm m1700's should weigh 1940g claimed. Real world - 2000g!

You're losing this callout I'm afraid.

[toast2266]

Even if they weigh 1940, that's still over a half a pound less than the 2200 you said.

And yes, I'm losing this discussion simply because, for some reason, I decided it was a good idea to argue with a moron.

[Damian Sanders]

Even if they weigh 1940, that's still over a half a pound less than the 2200 you said.

And yes, I'm losing this discussion simply because, for some reason, I decided it was a good idea to argue with a moron.

I admitted that I had found specs for the wrong wheelset. My figures for the tires and suspension travel were correct.

It does nothing to obviate my point - this bike's configuration is absolutely ridiculous.

[One (+) Sentence]

I hear 26" wheels with 2.3 tires is the hot setup on that bike, with a slightly longer shock to increase travel to 165mm

Nope. Running jr size wheels on it will indeed void the warranty.

[grskier]

Remember when sprockets didn't constantly devolve into e-slap fights

[reckless toboggan]

Remember when sprockets didn't constantly devolve into e-slap fights

e-slaps have no place on regular slap trails!

[evdog]

Take that discussion to MTBR where it belongs

[kidwoo]

e-slaps have no place on regular slap trails!

Thank you

[Damian Sanders]

So, I was able to get out on the Vee's yesterday. Rode them inflated 19/22 psi on my semi accurate inflator digital guage. They were much firmer than the last time I rode them, no bouncy feeling, good feedback, and they rolled fast, but they weren't as compliant as they could be. The loop I did was about 30% pavement, so I wanted a bit more speed from the higher pressure. They roll over things a shade better than my smaller tires, and were slightly lighter than the 2.4 dhr2's I just took off. They were significantly more unwieldy in tight spots. Absolutely terrifying to corner on, very hard to keep a line in a corner, thankfully the better rollover covered for that somewhat.

Very much looking forward to putting on my DHF / Aggressor combo.

I put on my 26x2.3 EXO/TR - DHF 3C / Aggressor DC combo. Tubeless 22/25 psi. So nice to be back on a tire that can actually be steered, and that holds a line. The Aggressor rolls pretty well, but I might try a bit more PSI.

[XXX-er]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/riding...mpaign=fb-like

apparently the 29 was 3.5% faster than the 27.5 but notice they didn't include a 26 ... the 26 would have killed them both

[Damian Sanders]

OH THE HUMANITY!!!!

http://forums.mtbr.com/wheels-tires/...y-1045912.html

I have seen some pictures and herd some reports that some of the 2.6" tires on the market are actually measuring closer to 2.4". I have a bike with 2.4" Trailbosses (that measure ~2.4" on 25mm rims) that I think would benefit from bigger, or if possible taller, tires but don't wanna spend the money on rims and tires for no real changes.

[Damian Sanders]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/riding...mpaign=fb-like

apparently the 29 was 3.5% faster than the 27.5 but notice they didn't include a 26 ... the 26 would have killed them both

Where are the 27.5+ downhill bikes???

[wkd-rdr]

Where are the 27.5+ downhill bikes???

Not sure, but I'm really dying to know what PSI you are running now.
I have heard that 26 is the best PSI. Fabulously enduro, I'm told.

[Damian Sanders]

Not sure, but I'm really dying to know what PSI you are running now.
I have heard that 26 is the best PSI. Fabulously enduro, I'm told.

It's important to let people know what PSI you're running when making comments on tires. Someone who runs their tires on the verge of pinch flatting is going to offer different feedback than those who ride a firm tire.

[wkd-rdr]

Yes, and that's why I need to know if you went with 26 PSI or 27.5PSI, or even a bigly 29 PSI on your Maxxis Aggressor (posted above).
Because the number you use matters so much to me, and verbiage... I need your verbiage

[Damian Sanders]

Yes, and that's why I need to know if you went with 26 PSI or 27.5PSI, or even a bigly 29 PSI on your Maxxis Aggressor (posted above).
Because the number you use matters so much to me, and verbiage... I need your verbiage

I sense that you are mocking me.

[Damian Sanders]

Have been running a 26x2.3 DHF 3C/EXO/TR and 26x2.3 Aggressor DC/EXO/TR for a couple rides now. Last ride was 23/27 psi, on 29mm internal Flow MK3. Such an awesome combo - tons of grip, precise, light for what they are, great cornering, climbing and braking. Aggressor rolls fast and still grips. Awesome rough trail riding setup.

[reckless toboggan]

Have been running a 26x2.3 DHF 3C/EXO/TR and 26x2.3 Aggressor DC/EXO/TR for a couple rides now. Last ride was 23/27 psi, on 29mm internal Flow MK3. Such an awesome combo - tons of grip, precise, light for what they are, great cornering, climbing and braking. Aggressor rolls fast and still grips. Awesome rough trail riding setup.

Fun ride,...but where were the rough trails you mentioned?

[smartyiak]

Just here to comment: yesterday was a Pivot demo day. I rode the Switchblade in 27.5+ . They didn't have 29 wheels for it; which seems kinda dumb, but: it was amazing!!!

So squishy...so grippy. I had never ridden a + bike (or a 27.5 for that matter), but I was VERY impressed with the Switchblade. I liked it more than the 429trail.

[Damian Sanders]

They are dropping like fleas!

http://forums.mtbr.com/26-27-5-29-pl...e-1047037.html