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    Quote Originally Posted by dan_pdx View Post
    The sources are included, it's XKCD, not a Fox infographic - look at the top right. Links below for your reading pleasure.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10915

    https://science.sciencemag.org/conte.../1198.abstract

    Annan and Hargreaves (2013)

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    Looking forward to your carefully considered conclusions , though I imagine you can give your conclusions without reading the sources
    I posted that about 2 weeks ago. Let's see how much his conclusions differ from what he said about it back then.. Sends him frantically searching through the thread for the earlier post... But, it's under a different URL with a redirect. Have fun ron LOL!
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan_pdx View Post
    The sources are included, it's XKCD, not a Fox infographic - look at the top right. Links below for your reading pleasure.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10915

    https://science.sciencemag.org/conte.../1198.abstract

    Annan and Hargreaves (2013)

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    Looking forward to your carefully considered conclusions , though I imagine you can give your conclusions without reading the sources
    It looks like they rely heavily on the Marcott et al 2013 paper which has been widely criticized. For starters, 80% of their data is from ocean proxies, not surface temperature proxies. This is the graph from that paper:
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    Here is a critique of it: http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/20...e-science.html

    Key quote:
    Q: What do paleotemperature reconstructions show about the temperature of the last 100 years?

    A: Our global paleotemperature reconstruction includes a so-called “uptick” in temperatures during the 20th-century. However, in the paper we make the point that this particular feature is of shorter duration than the inherent smoothing in our statistical averaging procedure, and that it is based on only a few available paleo-reconstructions of the type we used. Thus, the 20th century portion of our paleotemperature stack is not statistically robust, cannot be considered representative of global temperature changes, and therefore is not the basis of any of our conclusions.

    This is the HadCRUT4 data that they cite and should be basing their 1850 to current temperatures on: https://crudata.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/t...e/HadCRUT4.png

    The cartoon is not representative of the HadCRUT data. It does not show the same level of warming as HadCRUT from 1910 - 1950. HadCRUT shows ~.6'C of warming from 1980 to current. The cartoon shows closer to 1'C.

    They also exagerrate the IPCC "current path" projection. They appear to be using RCP8.5 as "current path." RCP8.5 is the extreme scenario, and viewed as borderline impossible. Their models haven't been reliable in the past, so I'm not holding my breath on their projections regardless.

    Also keep in mind that 95% of the cartoon is based on proxy records, with the last 5% based on instrumental. Proxies show more of a smoothing of temperatures because they do not have the precision of the instrumental era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post
    Quick! Lock the thread! He admitted he misunderstood SOMETHING.

    Let's call it a win and move on from this tire fire.
    It's not the first time.

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    "Climate crisis is greatest ever threat to human rights, UN warns"

    "Rights chief Michelle Bachelet highlights role in civil wars
    "‘The world has never seen a threat to human rights of this scope’"

    Climate change is not only having a devastating impact on the environments we live in, but also on respect for human rights globally, the UN has warned.

    The UN rights chief, Michelle Bachelet, cited the civil wars sparked by a warming planet and the plight of indigenous people in an Amazon ravaged by wildfires and rampant deforestation.

    She also denounced attacks on environmental activists, particularly in Latin America, and the abuse aimed at high-profile figures such as the teenage campaigner Greta Thunberg.

    “The world has never seen a threat to human rights of this scope,” she told the UN human rights council in Geneva.

    “The economies of all nations, the institutional, political, social and cultural fabric of every state, and the rights of all your people, and future generations, will be impacted” by climate change, she warned.
    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019...united-nations

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    Not sure why this is so complicated. However, my cousin is afflicted with a similar mindset to ron's...

    If your transmission is making weird noises, who do you ask for help? Grab a hammer and DIY it? Ask your grocer? A nuclear physicist?
    A) None of those. You see a mechanic, specifically a mechanic specialized in transmissions. (If for some reason you want to DIY, you will still consult a manual written by experts)

    So, why are you trying to discredit global warming (or a given research paper) using your metaphorical hammer? Trust the experts. It's what they are good at, and you are not.

    Why is the expert concept so hard?
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    If the doctor says you're bleeding out internally?

    "Well gee doc, I can't afford to fix it now, and so I don't believe you anyway." Or "I don't see anything."

    Doesn't make much sense.

    The climate doctors say "you're bleeding out internally." Common sense says we oughta do something about that.

    Seriously, why do people have such trouble with this?
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    the precautionary principle has no place in the land of hyperconsumption. "we will never apologize for our way of life."

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyeaster View Post
    the precautionary principle has no place in the land of hyperconsumption. "we will never apologize for our way of life."
    Developing world prisoner's dilemma kind of negates any developed world observance of the precautionary principle. At least on the timelines I've seen.

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    win-win! let's go to disneyland!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongShortLong View Post
    Seriously, why do people have such trouble with this?
    Generally because they’re dense republicans who have been duped by their leaders and lobbyist.
    [FTR I do believe there are with sensible rational republicans. We just need more to pull their head out.. ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    I understand the term confidence. I inserted the 'with?' because the sentence I copy and pasted from WMD's article doesn't make sense without it:

    "They said that confidence human activities were raising the heat at the Earth's surface had reached a “five-sigma” level."
    I shouldn't keep getting sucked into this but Ron, by your own admission you don't have the skills to accurately interpret scientific papers. The sentence makes complete sense without your additional "with".

    The English language is incredibly complex and words can have multiple meanings. You know what confidence means in its basic everyday context. Confidence levels of 5 sigma as referenced in the sentence mean something very specific.

    There are others way smarter than me on this subject that can further expound on this but what I understand about a 5 sigma confidence is that by running the same exact experiment you would get the same results 3.5 million times. This is vastly different than saying something "with confidence".

    I don't think you have delusions of grandeur regarding your ability to interpret scientific data, I think you have delusions of competence.

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    Ron is too polite when people shit on him and too diligent at responding to everything to be a legitimate climate nut. I'm going with paid astroturfer whose only purpose is to try to make it look like there's legitimate debate on the topic when it's clear the science is settled.

    So Ron, again, ski pics, tits, or GTFO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongShortLong View Post
    Why is the expert concept so hard?
    Because the idea that there is an 'expert' consensus on how much warming humans are responsible for and how dangerous it is a made up activist/media creation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flounder View Post
    I shouldn't keep getting sucked into this but Ron, by your own admission you don't have the skills to accurately interpret scientific papers. The sentence makes complete sense without your additional "with".

    The English language is incredibly complex and words can have multiple meanings. You know what confidence means in its basic everyday context. Confidence levels of 5 sigma as referenced in the sentence mean something very specific.

    There are others way smarter than me on this subject that can further expound on this but what I understand about a 5 sigma confidence is that by running the same exact experiment you would get the same results 3.5 million times. This is vastly different than saying something "with confidence".

    I don't think you have delusions of grandeur regarding your ability to interpret scientific data, I think you have delusions of competence.
    You are beating me up about one sentence.... Obviously I now see that the sentence makes sense. At the time of reading it, my brain kind of shut off after the first six words "They said that confidence human activities" and told me a word was missing in there.

    I don't rely on my interpretation of complex scientific data. I've gotten into the weeds with MutliVerse, but my positions are rooted in easily understood data that a 12 year old could understand.

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    In Unprecedented Move, Head of Key Meteorological Organization Slams Climate Extremists
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/in-unp...s_3076409.html

    Quotes from Petteri Taalas, the secretary-general of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), one of the founding organizations of the IPCC:

    “Now we should stay calm and ponder what is really the solution to this problem. It is not going to be the end of the world."

    “While climate skepticism has become less of an issue, now we are being challenged from the other side. Climate experts have been attacked by these people and they claim that we should be much more radical. They are doomsters and extremists. They make threats.”

    “The IPCC reports have been read in a similar way to the Bible: you try to find certain pieces or sections from which you try to justify your extreme views. This resembles religious extremism.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by dan_pdx View Post
    Ron is too polite when people shit on him and too diligent at responding to everything to be a legitimate climate nut. I'm going with paid astroturfer whose only purpose is to try to make it look like there's legitimate debate on the topic when it's clear the science is settled.

    So Ron, again, ski pics, tits, or GTFO.
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    Ron, where do you like to ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    In Unprecedented Move, Head of Key Meteorological Organization Slams Climate Extremists
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/in-unp...s_3076409.html

    Quotes from Petteri Taalas, the secretary-general of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), one of the founding organizations of the IPCC:

    “Now we should stay calm and ponder what is really the solution to this problem. It is not going to be the end of the world."

    “While climate skepticism has become less of an issue, now we are being challenged from the other side. Climate experts have been attacked by these people and they claim that we should be much more radical. They are doomsters and extremists. They make threats.”

    “The IPCC reports have been read in a similar way to the Bible: you try to find certain pieces or sections from which you try to justify your extreme views. This resembles religious extremism.”

    More bullshit! In the article you link to, that has been spun by climate deniers, Petteri Taalas says “Now, we should stay calm and ponder what is really the solution to this problem,” Taalas said. “It is not going to be the end of the world. The world is just becoming more challenging. In parts of the globe, living conditions are becoming worse, but people have survived in harsh conditions.”

    That is pretty different from "slamming climate alarmists."

    "Following the publication of the preliminary results earlier this month, the World Meteorological Organisation secretary-general, Petteri Taalas, said July had “rewritten climate history, with dozens of new temperature records at local, national and global level”."
    https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a9061516.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by WMD View Post
    More bullshit! In the article you link to, that has been spun by climate deniers, Petteri Taalas says “Now, we should stay calm and ponder what is really the solution to this problem,” Taalas said. “It is not going to be the end of the world. The world is just becoming more challenging. In parts of the globe, living conditions are becoming worse, but people have survived in harsh conditions.”

    That is pretty different from "slamming climate alarmists."

    "Following the publication of the preliminary results earlier this month, the World Meteorological Organisation secretary-general, Petteri Taalas, said July had “rewritten climate history, with dozens of new temperature records at local, national and global level”."
    https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a9061516.html
    I would agree that the title is a stretch, but its the quotes that matter.

    So despite Taalas' quote that July had "rewritten climate history....", he is still saying that "It is not going to be the end of the world."

    Does this one ring true for you at all?
    “The IPCC reports have been read in a similar way to the Bible: you try to find certain pieces or sections from which you try to justify your extreme views. This resembles religious extremism.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    Does this one ring true for you at all?
    “The IPCC reports have been read in a similar way to the Bible: you try to find certain pieces or sections from which you try to justify your extreme views. This resembles religious extremism.”
    Yes it rings true. It's exactly what you've been doing. Somehow you are one of the chosen few that knows what's really going all. Despite not being able to grasp basic scientific concepts, you know more than all the experts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    In Unprecedented Move, Head of Key Meteorological Organization Slams Climate Extremists
    [SIZE=3]https://www.theepochtimes.com/in-unp...s_3076409.html
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-epoch-times/
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    I would agree that the title is a stretch, but its the quotes that matter.

    So despite Taalas' quote that July had "rewritten climate history....", he is still saying that "It is not going to be the end of the world."

    Does this one ring true for you at all?
    Taalas comment that it is not going to be the end of the world rings true. Of course it isn't going to be the end of the world. The planet doesn't need saving, as it will exist long after we are gone. People, civilizations, and most other species are at risk, however.

    The planet (or climate) doesn't fall off a cliff at 2 degrees of warming. However, suffering, death, species extinction, economic ruin, civilization collapse, etc, will increase the warmer the planet gets. There is no red line above which certain death will occur, but keeping climate change to 1.5 degrees of warming is better than 2 degrees, 2 is better than 3, 3 is better than 4, etc. The warmer the planet gets, the more disruption, death, and chaos we will experience.

    I guess it would be fair to say that for the people of the Bahamas who were killed by Hurricane Dorian, climate change did mean the end of the world for them.

    The other garbage you posted was in a color and font I can't read on my computer thankfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    You are beating me up about one sentence.... Obviously I now see that the sentence makes sense. At the time of reading it, my brain kind of shut off after the first six words "They said that confidence human activities" and told me a word was missing in there.

    I don't rely on my interpretation of complex scientific data. I've gotten into the weeds with MutliVerse, but my positions are rooted in easily understood data that a 12 year old could understand.
    Obviously you don't understand the science, and your struggles with this sentence demonstrate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
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    Well, color me surprised. I'm guessing you're about the same age as the rest of the dentists here, so how would you say the snow conditions in the past few years compare to decades ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flounder View Post
    Yes it rings true. It's exactly what you've been doing. Somehow you are one of the chosen few that knows what's really going all. Despite not being able to grasp basic scientific concepts, you know more than all the experts.
    I don't find the IPCC to be an especially reliable source on climate. WMD and his ilk do, except for when the IPCC's views don't fit what they want to believe (ie: hurricanes). This is exactly what the quote is about.

    I know I don't know everything, but I do know that there is nothing unusual about the current climate in the context of the past 10,000 years despite everything you are told. There are no increases in fires, droughts, heat waves, tornadoes, hurricanes, or floods. I also know that we do not have the current technology to make 100% non carbon renewable plans feasible. You don't need to have a doctorate in climate science to see this, all you need to do is open you eyes.

    -I misread a sentence, even with the misread I was still able to grasp the scientific concept of it.

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