Ok, this global warming shit is getting out of hand...

[rideit]

OK, BOOMER

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...gnlQrD1Lbr0Wyg

[ron johnson]

Oh the irony!

I've never been supportive of Trump or the republican party in this thread. My views are that politics suck and you'd have to be a moron to identify as a democrat or republican.

[ron johnson]

You do comprehend that there are other ways of tracking climate trends besides human observations from manual or automated stations?

Yes?

[ron johnson]

I.e., "I realized you're not buying my snake oil and since I don't ski / snowboard, had no reason to keep hanging out here."

And yet, I still hang out here?

I.e., "debunks my half-truths." Also, I love how Ron keeps trumpeting how he's the only one who understands science. Like the 9/11 truthers saying "you just don't understand the metallurgy!"

No, I'm saying myself and MV are the only ones who have made any attempt to try to understand the science of climate change, yet you and the rest of the sheep feel some weird obligation to chime in on subject you know nothing about.

[rideit]

Or maybe some of us know more that you think, but prefer not to play chess with pigeons.

[ron johnson]

Or maybe some of us know more that you think, but prefer not to play chess with pigeons.

You've made it more than clear that isn't the case.

[Core Shot]

I've never been supportive of Trump or the republican party in this thread. My views are that politics suck and you'd have to be a moron to identify as a democrat or republican.

Brilliant!
And true

[rideit]

You've made it more than clear that isn't the case.

It’s pretty clear you are a pigeon.

[stuckathuntermtn]

"I'm an Independent" = I'm a Trump supporter

[dan_pdx]

No, I'm saying myself and MV are the only ones who have made any attempt to try to understand the science of climate change, yet you and the rest of the sheep feel some weird obligation to chime in on subject you know nothing about.

I'd say that the scientists you attempt to debunk have made a more serious and sustained effort than you have to understand the science of climate change, even extending to the study of complicated topics like statistics and confidence level.

[wendigo]

Comprehend: grasp mentally; understand.



Source: NASA Earth Observatory.

[rideit]

I'd say that the scientists you attempt to debunk have made a more serious and sustained effort than you have to understand the science of climate change, even extending to the study of complicated topics like statistics and confidence level.

RJ is in a heuristic trap.

[ron johnson]

I'd say that the scientists you attempt to debunk have made a more serious and sustained effort than you have to understand the science of climate change, even extending to the study of complicated topics like statistics and confidence level.

I'm not really debunking "the scientists", I'm debunking what the media reports as science. My positions are backed by consensus and real data.

[ron johnson]

Comprehend: grasp mentally; understand.



Source: NASA Earth Observatory.

[rideit]

I'm not really debunking "the scientists", I'm debunking what the media reports as science. My positions are backed by consensus and real data.

What is your position, exactly, in one sentence?

[ron johnson]

What is your position, exactly, in one sentence?

There isn't a scientific consensus on how much warming humans are responsible for and how dangerous it is, linking extreme weather events to global warming is BS, and attempting a 100% non carbon energy system with our current technology would be a disaster.

[rideit]

We have an obligation to go to any and all measures to combat it, regardless of causation.
I take it you don’t have kids.
You have agreed that temperatures are rising.
We may be doomed without any action, be we will be damned if we don’t try.
You are tilting at the wrong windmills, ultimately.

[dan_pdx]

My positions are backed by consensus and real data.

There isn't a scientific consensus on how much warming humans are responsible for and how dangerous it is, linking extreme weather events to global warming is BS, and attempting a 100% non carbon energy system with our current technology would be a disaster.

Which is it? Your position is backed by consensus, or there's no consensus?

attempting a 100% non carbon energy system with our current technology would be a disaster.

You're like someone in the 19th century saying "we'll never get the horses out of our transportation infrastructure, that's CRAZY!". And yet, here we are. It won't happen overnight, but the really crazy thing is imagining that we'll never change anything about how we currently run our industry / society.

[rideit]

That’s more of the myopia.

[WMD]

Or maybe some of us know more that you think, but prefer not to play chess with pigeons.

You've made it more than clear that isn't the case.

Busted. Sometimes it is fun to play chess with pigeons and we just can't help ourselves.

[stuckathuntermtn]

There's no fucking way this bitch ass troll has ever taken stat or research methods. Just throwing that out there.

[Core Shot]

There’s plenty of science questioning the connection between co2 and global warming.

But with enough faux news and rightard media you dismiss the mass slaughter of Mother Earth and say full steam ahead

Myself I’m not convinced co2 is the root cause, but I know we’ve slaughtered too many forests and created too much garbage, pollution and over population to have not fucked things up big time.

Conservation for conservation sake might not be a bad message instead.

[ron johnson]

We have an obligation to go to any and all measures to combat it, regardless of causation.
I take it you don’t have kids.
You have agreed that temperatures are rising.
We may be doomed without any action, be we will be damned if we don’t try.
You are tilting at the wrong windmills, ultimately.

We are doomed guys. We are talking about colonizing Mars, but we won't be able to figure out how to live in a 2 degree warmer world.

[ron johnson]

Which is it? Your position is backed by consensus, or there's no consensus?

No consensus on how much warming humans are responsible for and how dangerous it is. There is consensus on a lack of connection between extreme weather and global warming.

You're like someone in the 19th century saying "we'll never get the horses out of our transportation infrastructure, that's CRAZY!". And yet, here we are. It won't happen overnight, but the really crazy thing is imagining that we'll never change anything about how we currently run our industry / society.

No, you would be like the guy saying we must stop using horses for transportation... in the 1700's... before the engine was even invented.

[wendigo]

As a patron of the sciences you are no doubt aware that definitions are of utmost importance.
Please define a scientific consensus. Without this information we have no point of reference for your position.