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07-01-2019, 06:57 PM #401sick, spiteful, bad liver
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Because there’s no way to determine past temperatures unless somebody was there with a thermometer. Un possible. Without thermometers there can be no temperature. Ipso fucking facto.
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07-01-2019, 07:11 PM #402
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07-01-2019, 07:29 PM #403
Wha chu gots aginst tree rings old man?
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07-01-2019, 07:30 PM #404study of radiocarbon-dated box core data from marine sediments
examination of mollusc growth patterns
A reconstruction based on ice cores
data from botany, historical document research and meteorology, combined with records indicating prevailing temperature and rainfall
examining spatial patterns of surface temperatures shown in multi-proxy reconstructions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_PeriodGo that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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07-01-2019, 07:46 PM #405
I said accurately determined.
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07-01-2019, 08:06 PM #406
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07-01-2019, 08:10 PM #407
There is no e in oy.
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07-01-2019, 08:17 PM #408
i'm a goy
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07-01-2019, 11:12 PM #409
i feel dirty but i like it
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07-01-2019, 11:16 PM #410
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07-01-2019, 11:18 PM #411
So now we know the answer: If a tree falls in a forest and no one was around to hear it, it didn't make a sound.
Or just read this: https://www.theguardian.com/environm...rature-proxies
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07-02-2019, 12:17 AM #412
Benny--just because you don't understand something that doesn'tmean it's wrong. Just because you only know how to tell temperature with a thermometer doesn't mean other people can't tell temperature other ways. I can't do a backflip--therefore no one can. C'mon, I thought you were smarter than that.
Science has always been this way--it is imperfect because it is done by human beings. But science continues to test and reassess and sometimes overturn orthodoxy, maybe not as quickly as one would like but it happens. The pendulum swing of theory is well known in medicine. There is an orthodoxy, nothing that contradicts it is funded or published, until one day someone produces as contradictory theory with evidence so compelling it cannot be ignored. Suddenly there is a new orthodoxy and work supporting the old orthodoxy can't get funded or published--until one day it becomes the new new orthodoxy, and on and on. Practice medicine long enough and you see ideas that you thought were long dead come back to life.
Group think never works.
OK, maybe it does
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07-02-2019, 02:51 AM #413
OG I get how new findings can change theories but this "tow the line because this is our new cash cow or else" approach needs to stop
Shame, like the media it was better when it wasn't about the money but about the work. Taking a claim and working to verify it or to say "at this time we don't know or we can't not verify our sources to give a factual conclusion"
Politicians want the next wave of Taxation and science too along with multinational corporations that ultimately benefit from the contracts from such monies. What Al Gore started wasn't going away because the plan was to make willing participants pay a new tax. Start them off young because the demographic of millennials with soon out vote even other demographic.
The trap was set long before the message was politicized and exploited.
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07-02-2019, 04:21 AM #414
Ok, then, how do you tell temperature accurately "other ways"? Accurately. I say that, because the reporter used two specific numbers. 500 years, and 17 years, so she's not generalising. Tree rings and ice cores are not as accurate as modern instruments. There's a range, right? And how can that evidence ever be proven? It's just speculation, right?
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07-02-2019, 05:33 AM #415
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07-02-2019, 05:34 AM #416
We don't need to know the exact temperature everywhere at every second for all of history to get reasonably, statistically significant estimates of average global or regional temperatures.
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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07-02-2019, 06:30 AM #417
It’s snowing in Mexico in the summer. 6 fucking feet of it. Something ain’t fucking right.....
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ce/1616199001/
Had to send in the freakin’ army dudes for shovel duty...
fuck them tree rings though
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07-02-2019, 06:34 AM #418
Ok, but, here's the thing. First, from that:
"trapped in deep ice cores are tiny bubbles of ancient air, which we can extract and analyze using mass spectrometers. Temperature, in contrast, is not measured directly, but is instead inferred from the isotopic composition of the water molecules released by melting the ice cores."
Now, I'm not disputing that we can figure out a general idea of historical climate from this method, although I'm a tad skeptical that's it's valid going back a million years and for an area much larger than the region they take these samples, but, again, what is the range of temperatures that we're talking about, you know, beyond "cool", "cold", or, "warm"? Nobody gives me a number, because, well, they can't. But, we're comparing that data set, if it is a data set, with present day records, which are infinitely more accurate. The person who wrote this article specifically said "It is part of an unmistakable trend: The hottest summers in Europe in the last 500 years have all come in the last 17 years." Those are numbers. And they have no real basis. We have no idea how hot it was in Paris in 1519, other than, maybe, well, "pretty hot", or, "mild", or something.
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07-02-2019, 06:35 AM #419Funky But Chic
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I don't think that bus is gonna come for a while.
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07-02-2019, 07:04 AM #420
So, everything the science community knows about how elements and laws of physics behave under different temperature scenarios tells us that recent climate is doing things to those elements beyond what the most extreme heats of the past did to those elements. And dating samples tells us when those past extremes occurred. We can infer past extreme temps based on preserved samples of those elements. Are we fishing for another explanation? Or, are we just trying to poison the well with whatabboutism?
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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07-02-2019, 07:14 AM #421
Oh, they are definitely trying to poison the well.
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07-02-2019, 07:16 AM #422Banned
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What say ye to the fact that the oldest ice core sample ever pulled is 2.7 million years old, yet earth is like 4.5Billion years old...lots of millions in a billion....what was happening before 2.7 million years ago? Could there be answers there too? we dont know what we dont know...
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07-02-2019, 07:29 AM #423
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07-02-2019, 07:34 AM #424Registered User
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07-02-2019, 07:40 AM #425
Yes it is. Bunny doesn't understand the science behind ice core sampling so he doesn't believe it because it doesn't rely on what he understands, thermometers. A couple people send him reading material explaining ice core sampling, Bunny still needs human attention, Bunny continues to argue.
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