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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    I thought we were supposed to be avoiding regional data and focusing on the bigger picture..
    MV is the one who brought up the record highs to record lows in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    MV is the one who brought up the record highs to record lows in the US.
    And you drilled down to state level regions
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    I AM so full of shit its getting to be ridiculous. You accuse me of asking the same questions over and over when I rarely even ask you questions, I mostly just respond to your INFORMATION with JUNK.
    Fixed it for you
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    I have, but like I said, I could try to make the case for the sky being blue and you wouldn't accept it.
    Here’s the thing about that. WE are the ones telling YOU the sky is blue, but you have one photo that you saw on some website showing a cloudy day in 1951, so YOU are asserting that the sky is indeed, not blue.
    Have some self awareness, you even get your clichés wrong.
    This one makes you foolish.
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    Exclamation Link to "The Conversation" courtesy of Ron

    I had to read more after Mr. Johnson conveniently provided a link to "the conversation" regarding Australia and bushfires. That was written in late 2013 by the way. If you read more current articles from this source, you'll find many stories that describe a climate change problem and how geo-political it truly is. For example this excerpt:
    "But even without explicit efforts to confuse and divide the public, climate change would still be a uniquely challenging issue to talk about in ways that motivate public engagement rather than inspire despair and fatalism.The sad irony, of course, is that the story of climate change is in fact a deeply human one – we caused it, we will suffer from it and we alone can take action to avoid its worst consequences and prepare for the rest."
    More where that came from and the articles are well researched, written by people a whole lot smarter than me. Some very intelligent insights there. Ron, your own linked "source" seems to discredit your argument? I better get a bigger shovel if I come back to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    I thought we were supposed to be avoiding regional data and focusing on the bigger picture..
    Even then about half (23) of all time max high state records were broken after 1950.

    There have been marked changes in temperature extremes across the contiguous United States. The frequency of cold waves has decreased since the early 1900s, and the frequency of heat waves has increased since the mid-1960s (the Dust Bowl remains the peak period for extreme heat). The number of high temperature records for a given day set in the past two decades far exceeds the number of low temperature records.

    In other words, since 1950, the United States is experiencing both significant extreme heat (extreme hot daily highs) and extreme hot daily lows which is why mean temps are up, it's not just nights getting warmer.



    Whereas ron first tried to argue there hasn't been any warming by first suggesting Australia as an example, and then after the whole nights are getting warmer/increasing daily highs for that day explanation, raising mean temperatures, ron tried arguing it was only low temps that were increasing:



    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson
    Australia's land temperature has had no warming since the late 1800's
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    Not if your low temperatures keep increasing, but maximum temperatures don't. And who knows what effect the coming Grand Solar Minimum will have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    And you drilled down to state level regions
    MV is talking about the US and I'm talking about 50 states... aka the entire US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Here’s the thing about that. WE are the ones telling YOU the sky is blue, but you have one photo that you saw on some website showing a cloudy day in 1951, so YOU are asserting that the sky is indeed, not blue.
    Have some self awareness, you even get your clichés wrong.
    This one makes you foolish.
    You are wrong and you have repeatedly demonstrated that you have spent zero time ever trying to understand climate change beyond the headlines you read. You have been quickly approaching JongGuy level of uselessness in this thread. Your opinion is worth nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L82thegate View Post
    I had to read more after Mr. Johnson conveniently provided a link to "the conversation" regarding Australia and bushfires. That was written in late 2013 by the way. If you read more current articles from this source, you'll find many stories that describe a climate change problem and how geo-political it truly is. For example this excerpt:
    "But even without explicit efforts to confuse and divide the public, climate change would still be a uniquely challenging issue to talk about in ways that motivate public engagement rather than inspire despair and fatalism.The sad irony, of course, is that the story of climate change is in fact a deeply human one – we caused it, we will suffer from it and we alone can take action to avoid its worst consequences and prepare for the rest."
    More where that came from and the articles are well researched, written by people a whole lot smarter than me. Some very intelligent insights there. Ron, your own linked "source" seems to discredit your argument? I better get a bigger shovel if I come back to this thread.
    I have acknowledged that it was written in 2013, but it is still valid. You can add in the recent fires and there is no increasing trend to be found.

    The Conversation publishes both alarmist global warming pieces, and skeptic pieces. It doesn't invalidate either side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Even then about half (23) of all time max high state records were broken after 1950.
    I count 18 with a handful of those records from the 1950's, and only 3 records broken (or tied) in the 21st century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._s...ature_extremes

    There have been marked changes in temperature extremes across the contiguous United States. The frequency of cold waves has decreased since the early 1900s, and the frequency of heat waves has increased since the mid-1960s (the Dust Bowl remains the peak period for extreme heat). The number of high temperature records for a given day set in the past two decades far exceeds the number of low temperature records.

    In other words, since 1950, the United States is experiencing both significant extreme heat (extreme hot daily highs) and extreme hot daily lows which is why mean temps are up, it's not just nights getting warmer.
    Back to cherry picking your start date huh?

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    Time to give it up and admit defeat.

    Whereas ron first tried to argue there hasn't been any warming by first suggesting Australia as an example, and then after the whole nights are getting warmer/increasing daily highs for that day explanation, raising mean temperatures, ron tried arguing it was only low temps that were increasing:
    There you go again pulling quotes with no context.

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    The only way to settle this thing is with a ski off. Pretty sure Ron will lose. And if you can't find snow Ron has definitely lost.

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    Scientists now have decisive molecular evidence that humans and chimpanzees once had a common momma and that this lineage had previously split from monkeys.

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    [QUOTE=ron johnson;5825645]I count 18 with a handful of those records from the 1950's, and only 3 records broken (or tied) in the 21st century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._s...ature_extremes

    I count 25 out of 57 post 1950.

    State, Record high Date
     South Dakota 120 °F / 49 °C July 15, 2006*
     Missouri 118 °F / 48 °C July 14, 1954*
     Texas 120 °F / 49 °C June 28, 1994*
    United States Virgin IslandsVirgin Islands (U.S.) [10] 99 °F / 37.2 °C June 23, 1996*
    Washington (state)Washington 118 °F / 48 °C August 5, 1961*
    Georgia (U.S. state)Georgia 112 °F / 44 °C August 20, 1983*
     Oklahoma 122 °F / 50 °C August 12, 1936*
     American Samoa [note 1][2] 99 °F / 37.2 °C April 27, 1972*
     Colorado 115 °F / 46 °C 7/20/2019
     South Carolina 113 °F / 45 °C 6/29/2012
     Northern Mariana Islands 99 °F / 37.2 °C 7/8/2010
     Puerto Rico [10] 104 °F / 40.0°C 7/2/1996
     Connecticut 106 °F / 41 °C 7/15/1995
     Arizona 128 °F / 53 °C 6/29/1994
     Nevada 125 °F / 52 °C 6/29/1994
     New Mexico 122 °F / 50 °C 6/27/1994
     Utah 117 °F / 47 °C 7/5/1985
     North Carolina 110 °F / 43 °C 8/21/1983
     Wyoming 115 °F / 46 °C 8/8/1983
     Massachusetts 107 °F / 42 °C 8/2/1975
     Rhode Island 104 °F / 40 °C 8/2/1975
     Hawaii 98 °F / 37 °C 7/14/1957
     Virginia 110 °F / 43 °C 7/15/1954
     Illinois 117 °F / 47 °C 7/14/1954
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    You are wrong and you have repeatedly demonstrated that you have spent zero time ever trying to understand climate change beyond the headlines you read. You have been quickly approaching JongGuy level of uselessness in this thread. Your opinion is worth nothing.
    You know that phrase about playing chess with a pigeon?
    You are that pigeon...it is more useful denigrating you than actually engaging with you.
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    Contrary to ron's claims that his posts on the previous page were taken out of context, he wrote "Australia's land temperature has had no warming since the late 1800's" and referenced a daily max temps chart for 25 locations to specifically argue against the idea that average air and sea temperatures have increased overall.

    A reasonable person, that is anyone other than ron, would then recognize that the 1950 start date is not cherry picked but is instead in response to the subsequent U.S. pre-1950 vs post-1950 discussion.

    A reasonable person, that is anyone other than ron, would acknowledge that even though many of the U.S.'s 1930s dust bowl absolute high records still stand, which was mentioned several times, and discussed at length previously, that average temps have increased due to increasing ratios of: warmer nighttime temps, increasing daily highs, increasing record highs (but not all time highs everywhere) and increasing high mins. This is what that looks like for Australia and also globally through 2018:

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    Ok, this global warming shit is getting out of hand...

    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    No surprise that you have learned nothing.
    Oh, but you are wrong again. I've learned so much, including that you are completely dishonest and will go to great lengths to spread your lies.

    I've also learned that the climate crisis is much worse than we thought even a year ago and that it is getting worse rapidly.

    "Our Planet May Be Barreling Toward a Tipping Point"

    "A thawing Antarctica, a transforming Amazon, and other devastating changes may be more likely than scientists previously believed."

    Today in the journal Nature, a group of researchers argues that we're closer to tipping nine climate demons than previously believed, and that we're already starting to see some associated effects. “We argue that the intervention time left to prevent tipping could already have shrunk towards zero, whereas the reaction time to achieve net zero emissions is 30 years at best,” they write. “Hence we might already have lost control of whether tipping happens.”

    We can still, however, act to lessen the damage. The bet we have to make is clearer than ever, but time is running out. “How are we going to look back in half a century’s time and regret the fact that we've built a more sustainable, flourishing future for many more generations to come?” asks lead author Tim Lenton, director of the Global Systems Institute at the University of Exeter. “Instead of just hanging in there with finite reserves of fossil fuels, and sort of embracing the apocalypse.”
    https://www.wired.com/story/climate-tipping-point/
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    The difference between us and Ron is that we have been actually watching The climate change with our own eyes around the globe, while he has been stuck in his moms basement looking at manipulated graphs. Kind of like being a weatherman on a submarine with no outside communication.
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    "Climate change: COP25 talks to open as 'point of no return' in sight"

    "Political leaders and climate diplomats are to meet in Madrid for two weeks of talks amid a growing sense of crisis.

    "According to UN Secretary General António Guterres, "the point of no return is no longer over the horizon".

    "Meanwhile, Save the Children says that climate shocks have left millions in Africa facing hunger.

    "The charity says 33 million people are at emergency levels of food insecurity due to cyclones and droughts."


    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50614518

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    Good thing the Coral Reef are doing so well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    I count 25 out of 57 post 1950.
    Of US states, on recount I get 19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Contrary to ron's claims that his posts on the previous page were taken out of context, he wrote "Australia's land temperature has had no warming since the late 1800's" and referenced a daily max temps chart for 25 locations to specifically argue against the idea that average air and sea temperatures have increased overall.
    Please provide the post number so I can see what the discussion was about.
    A reasonable person, that is anyone other than ron, would then recognize that the 1950 start date is not cherry picked but is instead in response to the subsequent U.S. pre-1950 vs post-1950 discussion.
    WTF pre vs post 1950 discussion are you talking about? I have always acknowledged there has been an increase in extreme heat post 1950, but its nothing compared to pre 1950 data.
    A reasonable person, that is anyone other than ron, would acknowledge that even though many of the U.S.'s 1930s dust bowl absolute high records still stand, which was mentioned several times, and discussed at length previously, that average temps have increased due to increasing ratios of: warmer nighttime temps, increasing daily highs, increasing record highs (but not all time highs everywhere) and increasing high mins. This is what that looks like for Australia and also globally through 2018:
    Average temps have not increased in the US and Australia due to more extreme heat/higher summer temperatures. The graphs on my previous post make that clear as day.

    A reasonable person would admit they are wrong rather than keep trying to defend and an undefendable position. It's not that hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    The difference between us and Ron is that we have been actually watching The climate change with our own eyes around the globe, while he has been stuck in his moms basement looking at manipulated graphs. Kind of like being a weatherman on a submarine with no outside communication.
    You mean like that guy from Iowa who claimed he accepted global warming based on how much hotter and worse he thought the weather was getting even though the data said the opposite?

    You'd have to be a moron to think your personal experience of 30? 40? 50? years of weather is proof of anything.

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    Why do you guys keep arguing the past when the problem is the future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Why do you guys keep arguing the past when the problem is the future?
    It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.

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