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  1. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tippster View Post
    Aren't a lot of these dogs simply companions for people diagnosed with various mental issues? I saw a Service Yorkie the other day ferchissakes.
    Probably my sister. Her Yorkie is a Delta Diamond Club member with two legit certs that he had to go to lengthy school for and is about as well behaved as any dog could be and he does spend a lot of time cheering people up at hospitals and hospices. No way my dog could pass for a service dog - for one thing he has to masturbate at least once a day and he doesn't really care where he is when he gets the urge. Also he is crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    Does she bag her own poo? That would be an awesome service dog!
    no, but she'd clean up the human poo she'd find
    then, you'd get home and she'd strut up to you ready for kisses to be doled out and you'd recoil in horror at the breath preceding her

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtngirl79 View Post
    You cannot be required to rent to someone whose dog is a hazard. Animals are a HUGE help to people who have mental illnesses, emotional issues, the elderly and disabled people who are often isolated, etc etc.

    I think the whole ESA thing is a reaction to the reality that it's spendy and difficult and often impossible for low income people to find places to live where they can have pets.

    I realize there are issues surrounding pets in rental housing, too, but with allowed pets at least a landlord could charge a deposit.
    Tell that to the lawyer who will be suing you if you turn someone down. And I have no problems with any valid service animal, or valid ESA. The problem is that you can get a document off the internet saying some Dr prescribed an ESA. Not valid. You can have your Dr. friend write you a prescription. That is not valid in my opinion, though it is legally airtight. I personally know three people now in Aspen who are pulling the ESA scam, one who is a good friend.

    There should really be no condoning these scams. They are really no different that printing up a fake handicapped placard and parking in handicapped spots. I hope the ESA issue will be revisited and cancelled (fat chance). Delete the whole category of ESAs and make people get highly trained service dogs if they have a real need. And make documentation on demand the standard. People have to give documentation to buy liquor, get on an airplane, when requested by a cop during traffic stops, buy a gun. Why should a dog not have to be verified, when people are every day?

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    Papers please
    I have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoqpass View Post
    Papers please
    Exactly! Just not in a Nazi-like tone.

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    Disabilities consultant I'm working with says only 4% of disabilities are limited mobility. Majority are visual and mentally challenged.

    And she knows her stuff. Her kid is deaf and blind...! And a sweetheart, too.
    Screw the net, Surf the backcountry!

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    Tragedy of the commons. Same as it ever was.

    It bugs me that people can act so shamelessly. I think that's why we cringe when we see shitty parents parenting shittily...we know those kids are more likely to end up leeches on society, gaming the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddy View Post
    Disabilities consultant I'm working with says only 4% of disabilities are limited mobility. Majority are visual and mentally challenged.

    And she knows her stuff. Her kid is deaf and blind...! And a sweetheart, too.
    Yep. A lot of times people look completely normal, and some even sound normal to talk to at first, but then you start to realize they aren't.

    There are also things like MS where people have good and bad days.

    Or my mom when she was dying. She could walk fine and look fine but after 30 feet she would be so tired she'd nearly pass out. She had a wheel chair so she could get out as much as she wanted/could her last few weeks.

    You just don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtngirl79 View Post
    Yep. A lot of times people look completely normal, and some even sound normal to talk to at first, but then you start to realize they aren't.

    There are also things like MS where people have good and bad days.

    Or my mom when she was dying. She could walk fine and look fine but after 30 feet she would be so tired she'd nearly pass out. She had a wheel chair so she could get out as much as she wanted/could her last few weeks.

    You just don't know.
    I couldn't agree more. You're absolutely right. It's good to give the benefit of the doubt.

    Then there are the hippies who roll onto my bus with their pitbull, drop like 20 pennies into the thing for 3 able bodies adults, and head straight to the pharmacy. I'd bet a year's salary they don't have MS.
    Benefit of the doubt is the right thing, but sometimes there's no doubt at all.

  10. #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    It's a pretty good job. I like it. Union shop, ski 5 days a week. I'm outside but not working in the weather. I can do my job when I'm sore or tired and I'm not tied to a desk. It's probably somewhere between a million and a billion times better than you think it is....because you're a dumbass.
    It's a job for mouth breathers. Congratulations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughboyshredder View Post
    It's a job for mouth breathers. Congratulations!
    Thanks homie.

    You're right, there is a direct one-to-one correlation between job title and intellect. You have it figured out: the world is simple, because you're simple, and the world comes to you through your simple mind.

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    Congrats, Dough boy. You are a bigger douchebag than DasCunt

    What the hell is wrong with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    I'm on the front lines of this. I drive a city bus. Currently I have regulars who are "hippy travelers"...not the good kind, the gypsy-thief kind....who roll onto my bus with a pitbull and know all the phrases. "It's a service dog" "helps with my anxiety"...whatever. We get to their stop and this pitbull goes bounding off-leash out into the world wherever we stopped....walmart, pharmacy, grocery store. Pretty sweet.

    I have another shitshow regular who is a baby mama for a prisoner in the local prison. Her service dog is a purse chihuahua. Drinking water and dog piss on the bus seats for everyone so she can carry a dog around to her appointments and shopping and whatnot.

    It's fucked up. I see this every day and it sucks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jethro View Post
    Tell that to the lawyer who will be suing you if you turn someone down. And I have no problems with any valid service animal, or valid ESA. The problem is that you can get a document off the internet saying some Dr prescribed an ESA. Not valid. You can have your Dr. friend write you a prescription. That is not valid in my opinion, though it is legally airtight. I personally know three people now in Aspen who are pulling the ESA scam, one who is a good friend.

    There should really be no condoning these scams. They are really no different that printing up a fake handicapped placard and parking in handicapped spots. I hope the ESA issue will be revisited and cancelled (fat chance). Delete the whole category of ESAs and make people get highly trained service dogs if they have a real need. And make documentation on demand the standard. People have to give documentation to buy liquor, get on an airplane, when requested by a cop during traffic stops, buy a gun. Why should a dog not have to be verified, when people are every day?

    I partially agree, but there will be some compassionate self diagnosis type cases still allowed for compassion sake. There are many elderly that use companion dogs that might not otherwise qualify for typical service dog roles. All shapes and sizes in the USA.

    Jethro, At the crux, dogs are very low impact on our common space, opposite and unlike underage drinking and guns.


    But, It might also lower shelter populations because of some perceived flaw in older or unsuccessfully trained dog. The scammers own multiple dogs and they keep getting new ones to pull the scam?
    Terje was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtngirl79 View Post
    Congrats, Dough boy. You are a bigger douchebag than DasCunt

    What the hell is wrong with you?
    How quickly people forget.

    Yetiman posted some seriously racist shit recently. Most of it seemingly fueled by bitterness.

    I'm not surprised he's a bus driver because that's a fitting job for a (close)to middle aged loser that is so dissatisfied with his life that he looks down on an entire group of people because they are different than he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtngirl79 View Post
    Congrats, Dough boy. You are a bigger douchebag than DasCunt

    What the hell is wrong with you?
    Chill a bit, he's not flaming hard, let the boys settle it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughboyshredder View Post
    How quickly people forget.

    Yetiman posted some seriously racist shit recently. Most of it seemingly fueled by bitterness.

    I'm not surprised he's a bus driver because that's a fitting job for a (close)to middle aged loser that is so dissatisfied with his life that he looks down on an entire group of people because they are different than he is.
    Link? You seemed like less of a cunt when you were still smoking weed.

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    What is less of a cunt? Ya either are or aren't IMO. DBS is the same dude just less baked and is a pretty nice cat irl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    What is less of a cunt? Ya either are or aren't IMO. DBS is the same dude just less baked and is a pretty nice cat irl.
    Maybe he is, I don't see why a decent guy would attack someone for being a bus driver though. Is Yeti really racist for is DBS totally emo about all social issues now that he's sober?

    Back to the thread topic, I think an ESA or Service chimp would be cool.

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    I made an African American lady go berserk the other day because she overheard me say monkey in a conversation not related to her or race at all.

    She thinks I'm racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronWright View Post
    Maybe he is, I don't see why a decent guy would attack someone for being a bus driver though. Is Yeti really racist for is DBS totally emo about all social issues now that he's sober?

    Back to the thread topic, I think an ESA or Service chimp would be cool.
    yetiman is a racist pos.

    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    Have you even ever been around Indians? I guess if you like drunks who beat their children and starve their animals and throw their trash out the window of their government single wide trailers....they're great at that.
    He then went on to defend his position.

    Not "emo" on social issues, I just fucking hate racists.

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    Fake Service Dogs......

    Quote Originally Posted by doughboyshredder View Post
    yetiman is a racist pos.



    He then went on to defend his position.

    Not "emo" on social issues, I just fucking hate racists.
    I hate classism and people who base their entire existence and other peoples worth on what they do for a job.

    Such a dick move
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughboyshredder View Post
    yetiman is a racist pos.



    He then went on to defend his position.

    Not "emo" on social issues, I just fucking hate racists.
    Well there is some truth to what he posted in that quote. What the root cause of that is or who is at fault is another matter. It is a generalization but that could be said about classifying bus driving as "a job for mouth breathers". That's a lot of hate coming from someone who is enlightened as you.

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    I know a mag that just retired from bus driving. Cool guy. Not a loser or mouth breather.

    Yeti man has a colorful, descriptive and honest way of writing and I would need to read the whole conversation to form an opinion.

    What I do know is that my experience of Yetiman has been a kind, thoughtful and compassionate person that attempts to help others when the opportunity presents itself.

    Doughboy on the other hand... hate spewing and no known helpfulness or compassion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughboyshredder View Post
    yetiman is a racist pos.



    He then went on to defend his position.

    Not "emo" on social issues, I just fucking hate racists.
    I believe you could really benefit from an emotional support animal. An alligator might fill the bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    I believe you could really benefit from an emotional support animal. An alligator might fill the bill.
    Careful, he might call Dan Samas and sue for emotional damages.

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