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08-24-2020, 12:35 PM #26
Maybe you should just sleep during the day?
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08-24-2020, 12:41 PM #27
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08-24-2020, 01:20 PM #28
I went back to your OP; that is an unusual amount of getting up...
I find I get up to pee at night now, where I never used to. Alcohol does increase the likelihood for me too.
I do hope you find a solution
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08-24-2020, 03:38 PM #29
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08-24-2020, 05:34 PM #30
Since you seem to have exhausted the possibility of physical ailments, maybe try hypnosis? Somehow you need to convince your body that it needs to void more of these liquids during the day, rather than at night, right? Maybe the route to doing that is through the brain.
Crazy idea, I know. But having actually witnessed somebody hypnotized, I've never been able to forget how powerful it seemed. Only throwing this out there because you seem to be giving up, so I figured what the hell. Looks like somebody did a study about the effect on overactive bladders. They do mention nocturia as one of the problems addressed through a combination of hypnotherapy and behavioral therapy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4575591/
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08-24-2020, 07:04 PM #31Registered User
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Are you getting your PSA level tested on a regular basis? If not, I strongly advise you do.
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08-24-2020, 08:09 PM #32
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08-24-2020, 09:36 PM #33Registered User
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08-25-2020, 08:51 AM #34
Last edited by Dantheman; 08-25-2020 at 12:47 PM.
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08-25-2020, 11:38 AM #35
No personal knowledge but found this:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...oduction-urine“How does it feel to be the greatest guitarist in the world? I don’t know, go ask Rory Gallagher”. — Jimi Hendrix
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08-25-2020, 11:41 AM #36
this suggestion is made mostly in jest - but you should sign up to be a living kidney donor.
they'll do the goddamn most thorough medical screening known to man (much of which you've already done), and if you get approved, well, you can't piss that much if you only have one of your two pissers. right?? it's gotta work that way.
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08-25-2020, 12:38 PM #37
It's not actually new. They took a drug that's been around forever (desmopressin, which is a synthetic version of the hormone arginine vasopressin) and created an intranasal formulation, presumably so that they can sell a cheap generic drug at name-brand on-patent pricing. I've tried the oral version to no effect. I asked my PCP and the internist about the nasal version and both said there's no point in trying the spray if the oral version was ineffective.
I've always been firmly in the "evolution gave me two of these for a reason" camp, but desperate times....
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08-25-2020, 12:50 PM #38
Sleep apnea does seem unlikely given your overall fitness and lack of snoring, but it is still possible without those two symptoms/factors. Nocturia can be an even stronger indicator of apnea than snoring in some people. Has you wife ever mentioned you breathing irregularly at night or anything? Might be worth a visit to a sleep specialist if you've taken it this far.
"They don't think it be like it is, but it do."
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08-25-2020, 12:51 PM #39
ha, don't take that advice, it's total horseshit.
i actually did give up one of my two kidders because of a post on reddit (was drunk in bed when i agreed to it and then i couldn't go back on my word), and now i gotta wake up all the time in the middle of the night to pee. so this is patently bad advice.
but i do now know what all those fancy numbers around GFR and creatine clearance and shit mean, so there's that.
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08-25-2020, 02:19 PM #40
True, the odds are Lloyd Christmas-low, but it is possible. The wife is a light sleeper and likely would have noticed and mentioned the usual apneic gasping. I don't wake up gasping, have dreams about drowning, etc. I've also experimented with mouth taping and have no problem making it the whole night with my mouth taped shut. Also, if my NP were due to sleep apnea interfering with the production of AVP by my hypothalamus, you would expect that my NP would respond to desmopressin, but it doesn't.
Given all that, I'm strongly disinclined to do an expensive inpatient sleep study. It looks like you can buy a bluetooth oximeter for under $50, so maybe I'll do that just to rule it out 100%.
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08-26-2020, 07:25 PM #41
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08-26-2020, 07:55 PM #42
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08-31-2020, 02:10 AM #43Registered User
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Nocturia
To Dantheman
Dantheman
I sympathise regarding Nocturia polyuria
I too pee pints every night even when I STOP ALL fluids during the day
Example
1. Absolutely no fluid intake from 10am to bed time 10pm
2. Pee very little during day (Probably water from food, salads etc)
3. Void prior to bed - 10pm
4. 1st void 11.39 full bladder (300ml)
5. 2nd void 1am full bladder (200ml)
6. 3rd void 2am full bladder ((225ml)
7. 4th void 3.19am full bladder (250ml)
8. 5th void 5 am full bladder ((170ml)
9. 6th void 6.20am (150ml)
On average - time of voids change but most nights always 5 times plus, worst case 9 times
Volume measure on average 3pints (worst 4pints of fluid)
Doctors are baffled, tried everything despopressin and others, seen urologists and taken every possible so called cure
The doctors (jack of all trades master of none) do not have a clue on how to help or really understand the condition,
Water deprecation test - normal (release if vasmopresdin normal / supposedly)
All docs think it’s in our heads and suggest mental health issue. Most are not understanding of Nocturia
I am very fit 50 years of age, work and play hard eat an incredibly healthy diet, do not drink or smoke.
Despite all the above the British Nhs doctors Refuse to brain scan of potruity gland in middle of brain or check kidneys
It’s a joke. There are as many people who suffer from this condition Nocturia (more than 2 urine voids a night) than cancer and no reasearch if this medical condition that will cost Nhs millions over next decade
It’s unbelievable. I really do not know where to turn next - my condition has been slowly progressing over last 7 years from 2 voids to worst case 9 voids (average 5 voids)
Where are you in the World?
Please respond
Rutty
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08-31-2020, 10:17 AM #44Registered User
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you are just pissing your life ( and your money ) away
I didnt realize Diabetes makes you piss more ?
As an old fuck with type II under control with diet/ who likes coffee/ beer/ wine/ eats OK/ probably doesnt drink enough water i have to get up a couple of time a night which seems reasonableLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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08-31-2020, 10:36 AM #45
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08-31-2020, 11:12 AM #46
Damn, that's rough. Your best night is my worst night. I'm in Salt Lake City, Utah.
Excess glucose in your blood is so damaging that your body starts excreting it through urine. IIRC, diabetes mellitus literally translates to "sweet urine." Doctors used to diagnose it by tasting patients' urine.
Threads here can rank surprisingly high in Google search results.
I tried using the oximeter over the weekend. I had issues with it staying on and connected to my phone and only got a couple hours of good data. The data I did get showed pretty stable SpO2 without any large dips that would indicate apneic episodes. I'll try it a few more times this week. Average HR was 47 bpm.
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08-31-2020, 11:50 AM #47
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08-31-2020, 03:07 PM #48Registered User
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Why’s that ? I’m looking for answers and hoping that a solution to this problem of Nocturia can be found from those who suffer from it also? Sharing experiences and therapies can work for some and not others?
Did not expect childish comments like this one from people who don’t suffer with Nocturia.
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