Police Behaving Badly

[californiagrown]

but also worrying whether that would piss off the cop.

Fundamentally, this is an issue. We shouldn't have to placate the temper or ego of a cop. We should just have to placate the law.

[Trackhead]

From your article: “ — whether through harsher suspensions or other policies targeting behavior — it may have a legal (or at least moral) duty to do so.” NFL disciplinary action against off field player behavior.

That’ll never happen with athletes. UFC is same way. So many douchebag athletes doing douchebag things.

If there’s $$ to be made, just look past it all, keep selling tickets. Nobody really cares.

[schuss]

From your article: “ — whether through harsher suspensions or other policies targeting behavior — it may have a legal (or at least moral) duty to do so.” NFL disciplinary action against off field player behavior.

That’ll never happen with athletes. UFC is same way. So many douchebag athletes doing douchebag things.

If there’s $$ to be made, just look past it all, keep selling tickets. Nobody really cares.

Same thing with cops - way too little bad behavior is punished. The problem is, one group is being paid to be a good example, the other are paid to be in shape.

[Trackhead]

I don’t know I feel like the entire profession is being punished for the crimes of the vast minority. Their pay may not be affected but their moral most certainly is. Include recruitment and retention in that. With public sentiment, pretty soon there won’t be any police to defund. We’ll get what we ask for.

Responsibility to not be an instigating dumb fuck is bilateral.

[old goat]

Well, honestly that broad judgment of police in the ER isn’t accurate in my observation. 30 years in this business and I can tell you without a doubt, in the setting of the ER, cops are usually pretty quiet and neutral in ER with people they bring in. Maybe it’s because it’s not their setting.

Nurses can be very very instigating, just like cops. Often times using excessive force (not all nurses are female). Sometimes a combative psych patient might be seconds away from compliance and one burnt out nurse pops in the room and it all goes to shit. Just like the bad apple cop. I’ve seen combative asshole patients get their asses kicked by nurses. I’ve also seen the reverse.

So this cynicism towards humanity is pretty common in cops, firefighters, healthcare. Only difference is one profession has a gun, the other two have ketamine.

I’ve also seen some VERY impressive takedowns female nurse completing on grown ass men. Usually it’s an older seasoned ER nurse carrying a little extra weight. Do not fuck with those nurses

35 years in the business and I stand by what I said. Maybe the difference is setting. Sacramento vs the boonies. (Some would call Sacramento the boonies.) And I never saw male nurses to be any rougher with patients. It's the training and attitude, not the gender. A nurse doesn't feel the need to assert authority. A cop does.

(I also so an ER orderly wrap a towel around his head and crawl into a fully engulfed 3 bed patient room and drag 3 patients out while the firefighters stood by. The patient who set his bed on fire smoking died, the other two were OK. I just threw in that non sequitur for multiverse.)

And yeah, watching a 90 pound nurse--a lot of ours were Filipine--move a 250 pound patient is impressive. If she needed help she got another 90 pounder. We had carry teams but the nurses rarely called them. Meanwhile when my son was on patrol at Olympic Valley he had a 50 pound limit. (That one's for multiverse too.)

[californiagrown]

I don’t know I feel like the entire profession is being punished for the crimes of the vast minority. Their pay may not be affected but their moral most certainly is. Include recruitment and retention in that. With public sentiment, pretty soon there won’t be any police to defund. We’ll get what we ask for.

Responsibility to not be an instigating dumb fuck is bilateral.

Firstly, fun fact: defund the police movement was an abject failure and PDs were either not defunded despite much publicity to the contrary, or were quickly fully funded again despite all the hullabaloo and talk. you know who has openly threatened to defund the police? Trump. He has openly threatened to defund the police in states and cities that will not follow his immigration/deportation executive order to a T.


Secondly, a civilian should have no responsibility towards a cops temper or ego. They can be as instigating as they choose to be, within the law. Is it smart to be an instigating asshole towards cops? Nope. But the responsibility to not use excessive force, or extralegal methods lies ENTIRELY with the cop. Its damn near the same thing as telling 18year old freshman girls and college bros that there is a bilateral responsibility to prevent female rape. Dont normalize the expectation of men to rape, and dont normalize the expectation of cops to use excessive force.

[Hopeless Sinner]

I don’t know I feel like the entire profession is being punished for the crimes of the vast minority. Their pay may not be affected but their moral most certainly is. Include recruitment and retention in that. With public sentiment, pretty soon there won’t be any police to defund. We’ll get what we ask for.

Responsibility to not be an instigating dumb fuck is bilateral.

They're punished because they have let their "profession" rot from the inside. They obviously can't police themselves and outside over sight gets stonewalled by the thin blue line and/or union lawyers and contract rules.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Can we at least agree that the NYPD is rotten from top to bottom?


https://bsky.app/profile/notalawyer..../3l42lco4jb62j



https://apnews.com/article/nypd-cour...a864f69aa3d1aa

[schuss]

I don’t know I feel like the entire profession is being punished for the crimes of the vast minority. Their pay may not be affected but their moral most certainly is. Include recruitment and retention in that. With public sentiment, pretty soon there won’t be any police to defund. We’ll get what we ask for.

Responsibility to not be an instigating dumb fuck is bilateral.

Maybe if you saw more police willing to criticize their own and things like lying in court weren't commonplace, I'd agree, but lying, abuse of power and other items are pretty prevalent country wide.
You think cops get popped for DUIs or domestic abuse like regular people do?
Pretty much every police organization has fought any measure of a oversight tooth and nail, and it's because they know what's going to come up.
I think a lot of it started with the best intentions, like "x was having a bad day and we talked with the prosecutor on this case as they overreacted", but the age of smartphones has proven their word is bunk.

The whole practice needs to be retooled with an emphasis on safety for all parties, as I know plenty of good, upstanding cops, but speaking out on issues is a career limiting move.
The fact that I, a boring white dude who's largely lived in small towns and is intensely boring, has had 5 distinct interactions with different officers where they lied through their teeth about me doing something or assaulted me for no reason, is pretty glaring. Note that not a single instance led to any fine or consequence.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Can we at least agree that the NYPD is rotten from top to bottom?


https://bsky.app/profile/notalawyer..../3l42lco4jb62j


https://apnews.com/article/nypd-cour...a864f69aa3d1aa

Ahem:


https://bsky.app/profile/clancyny.bs.../3l4abthxpx22j

[riser4]

WTF???

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/fo...ion/index.html

[Trackhead]

WTF???

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/fo...ion/index.html

This sort of thing I think is actually not that uncommon. It's similar to confirmation bias in healthcare where you get locked into a diagnosis and don't see the big picture.

[riser4]

This sort of thing I think is actually not that uncommon. It's similar to confirmation bias in healthcare where you get locked into a diagnosis and don't see the big picture.

That doesn't make any of it even the slightest bit ok.

[old goat]

This sort of thing I think is actually not that uncommon. It's similar to confirmation bias in healthcare where you get locked into a diagnosis and don't see the big picture.

Which is why I never let ER docs tell me what they thought the diagnosis was, at least not until I made my own guess.

[Toadman]

Which is why I never let ER docs tell me what they thought the diagnosis was, at least not until I made my own guess.

Do your own research. Self diagnosis is the way to go.

Heard from a veteran RN while at the ER that 90% of the patients in an ER are assholes. She said this as some drunk construction worker was cussing up a storm after he drunknly, or drugged up shot himself in some body part with a nail gun. I don't even want to imagine the BS that ER staff have to deal with day in and night out.

[Cisco Kid]

A few years ago I had the opportunity to talk with a man who claimed to be the "Meanest cop in Chicago" in the '60's. We joked on how the way to get a confession back then was with a phonebook. Slammed against the side of the suspected perps head.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Ahem:


https://bsky.app/profile/clancyny.bs.../3l4abthxpx22j

These fucking guys:

[Trackhead]

Which is why I never let ER docs tell me what they thought the diagnosis was, at least not until I made my own guess.

Hey I got an appy down here can you come take a look

[Harry]

Cop murders a judge in the courthouse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...kevin-mullins/

[J. Barron DeJong]

Cop murders a judge in the courthouse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...kevin-mullins/

In the same judges chamber that this cop’s deputy raped a woman:

https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...rs/9289211002/

[happytimefunbox]

Meridian ID fuck this cop. Kid will get paid and the ACAB will carry on.

https://youtu.be/aBLgJLhA-v0?feature=shared

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[Buzzworthy]

I didn’t listen to any of it but zoomed through and watched what happened. That kid was classic resisting arrest. Just take the cuffs, have your rich mommy and daddy sue and you go on with your day.

[happytimefunbox]

I didn’t listen to any of it but zoomed through and watched what happened. That kid was classic resisting arrest. Just take the cuffs, have your rich mommy and daddy sue and you go on with your day.

Then you need to watch it because he wasnt resisting arrest.

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[Buzzworthy]

Then you need to watch it because he wasnt resisting arrest.

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But I actually don’t care, so no, that would be a waste of time.

[concretejungle]

But I actually don’t care, so no, that would be a waste of time.

So don't comment?