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06-15-2019, 11:15 AM #3176
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06-15-2019, 11:28 AM #3177
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06-15-2019, 11:53 AM #3178Registered User
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When you have police departments that don't want to hire "over educated" people as cops and combine that with ass covering bureaucrats that are afraid of lawsuits from choke hold and Rodney King style beat downs, it results in police training policy that focuses on overwhelming force as a deterrent. Any "Perceived" threat gets responded to w weapons drawn and often fired. This is the way cops are being trained, most don't get caught on video and most probably respond w less screaming, but this is the training for perceived threats. That's why even tho "bad cops" may only be 1 out of a thousand, that's still a lot of bad cops and it's systemic. Fuck em.
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06-15-2019, 12:18 PM #3179Registered User
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Agreed, that is some ridiculous overreaction and I'm fuming after watching that, and I usually give a lot of leeway to cops. I'm curious if the cops have the cameras in their vehicles and on their person like you often see. HOw could these officers think this was justified? And to say the cops are PTSD suffering war vets is also way f'd up. I think almost everything gets caught on video somehow nowadays and it boggles my mind that the cops aren't aware of that, or that they think this is ok.
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06-15-2019, 12:56 PM #3180
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2...t-on-the-badge
My father died from PTSD related illness. He's buried in Arlington. To ignore the widescale impact these wars have on society and working veterans is an extremely narrow view but keep waving that flag..
Probably also a valid variable to add is how many of these cops are using/abusing steroids..Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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06-15-2019, 01:17 PM #3181
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06-15-2019, 01:43 PM #3182“I have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.”
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06-15-2019, 01:58 PM #3183
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06-15-2019, 02:45 PM #3184
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06-15-2019, 02:50 PM #3185Registered User
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Irrelevant as far as Im concerned either way because the bigger issue is this behavior is a consequence of the training policies and procedures depts everywhere are using. That's the bigger systemic problem.
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06-15-2019, 03:04 PM #3186
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06-15-2019, 03:07 PM #3187Registered User
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06-15-2019, 03:42 PM #3189
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06-15-2019, 03:52 PM #3190
It's difficult to document because of the refusal of agencies to track their documented instances of misconduct. However, I'm not the only one who sees it as getting worse post 911..
Post 9/11
Protest against police brutality in New York City, December 2014
Numerous human rights observers have raised concerns about increased police brutality in the U.S. after the attacks of September 11, 2001. An extensive report prepared for the United Nations Human Rights Committee, published in 2006, states that in the U.S. the "War on Terror" has "created a generalized climate of impunity for law enforcement officers, and contributed to the erosion of what few accountability mechanisms exist for civilian control over law enforcement agencies. As a result, police brutality and abuse persist unabated and undeterred across the country."[38] During the "war on terror", there has been noted increases in enforcement power for officers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police..._United_StatesGo that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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06-15-2019, 03:53 PM #3191
When I was a kid virtually every single cop was either a WW2 or Korean War vet. Most had seen way more brutal combat than our current vets. And we did not have this problem.
THIS. Steroid use combined with absolutely shitty training are the root cause."Zee damn fat skis are ruining zee piste !" -Oscar Schevlin
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06-15-2019, 04:02 PM #3192
^^^^Unless you were a black person marching to Mississippi or protesting white supremacy anywhere in the south??
Post WWII and Korea there were far more opportunities for veterans than joining the police force. There were plenty of better, and better paying jobs to go around with the US being the only major player whose entire manufacturing factory base wasn't in ruins. People who weren't stable enough to work the force had more alternatives. Also in the 70s and 80s being a combat vet was the exception instead of the norm for those with military experience. Seems like cops were way cooler during the 70s-early 90s IMHO. Even late 60s and early 70s most only did one or two years in Vietnam. These days people do several years deployed in the middle east. So, more anecdotal opinion IMHO..
+1 in the steriod abuse being another factor.. mentioned it way up but glad others agree on that.Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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06-15-2019, 04:03 PM #3193Registered User
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06-15-2019, 04:15 PM #3194Registered User
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It's gotten worse but I think it more a reaction to policy changes after Rodney King than 911. And I think Rodney King type beatings resulted from policy changes that forbid the arm bar choke.
-> Can't choke em out, then we will beat them into submission. When they weren't allowed to beat into submission any more, they pulled the guns and threaten or do shoot into submission. All the results of lawsuit aversion w the Brass be it right or wrongLast edited by mcski; 06-15-2019 at 08:45 PM.
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06-15-2019, 04:25 PM #3195“I have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.”
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06-15-2019, 05:10 PM #3196
Never assumed that about all of them, just the ones in the video above along with other over the top cops.
I grew up in a military family. My dad died from a PTSD related illness after a 20 year highly decorated military career. He's buried at Arlington, so I've got some idea..
Half of my friends who did military service are dead... most from similar problems.. None of them are what I'd call 100% stable. We're destroying ourselves, I don't blame the vets, I blame what they are being subjected to.. and for NOTHING!Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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06-15-2019, 05:26 PM #3197Registered User
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06-15-2019, 05:28 PM #3198
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06-15-2019, 05:51 PM #3199
Only data I've seen is that roughly 20% of active police are vets. I'm of the "opinion" that everyone who sees real combat suffers from PTSD to some degree. It's only human to be at least somewhat traumatized by horrific experiences. Odds are at least one or two of those what 8 cops, is a vet with obvious issues. I don't care what kind of training they had or didn't have. Only someone seriously mentally fucked up treats people like that.
Not walking that back... Out for now though.. Nothing more to add..Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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06-15-2019, 06:17 PM #3200
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Just because they are veterans on the police force doesn’t mean they participated in combat with the enemy , over 80% of the jobs are support for combat arms. The Air National Guardsman in the article is prime example plus there is no mention of what he had done on the job as a police officer in Newark NJ prior to going to Iraq. I suspect he had issues prior with PTSD like many first responders
“I have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.”
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