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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromontana View Post
    So the idea here is to mortally wound the guy with 5.56mm rounds at close range, then tell him to follow commands he can't follow. If he doesn't follow the commands, let the dog loose and shoot him with non lethal rounds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DngOL6LokN4

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    The guy couldn't follow the commands he was given before he was shot either because he was mentally unhinged. This is becoming a bigger and bigger problem as more people with mental health issues are living on the streets.
    "These are crazy times Mr Hatter, crazy times. Crazy like Buddha! Muwahaha!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazderati View Post
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    Jesus fucking christ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Jesus fucking christ....
    No shit. They murdered that guy, he was no threat to any of them from that distance. I can't believe the video survived.

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    Not sure if it's the video shooter or one of the shooters to the right, but one of the officers there was hired with the promise he wouldn't have a firearm due to his prior record and firing/removal from a nearby police force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    "the suspect shot himself while handcuffed in the back of a police car."
    "These are crazy times Mr Hatter, crazy times. Crazy like Buddha! Muwahaha!"

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    privilege....




    ^Could do with out the music

    This just in....

    "Former ‘Cop of the Year’ busted on coke-trafficking charges"

    http://nypost.com/2014/12/03/former-...cking-charges/
    Last edited by TomCrac; 12-09-2014 at 07:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by char View Post
    "the suspect shot himself while handcuffed in the back of a police car."
    'Police say Woodson's fatal gunshot wound was self-inflicted. That would mean that he smuggled his gun into a police station after police brought him there'

    Their assholes must be pretty blown out sticking guns up there all the time so cops can't find them on he patdown
    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    This is kinda like the goose that laid the golden egg, but shittier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronWright View Post
    They murdered that guy
    The cop doing most of the talking even says "I'm not a fucking murderer" at 0:42, and less than 10 seconds later they open fire for no apparent reason whatsoever.
    Last edited by Dantheman; 12-09-2014 at 02:52 PM.

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    The start of the trail of DOJ Civil Rights Division's investigations into local PDs:

    <full repository with all states and investigations>

    Arizona Maricopa County Sheriff's Office findings
    - Based upon our extensive investigation, we find reasonable cause to believe that MCSO
    engages in a pattern or practice of unconstitutional policing.
    - We also find reasonable cause to believe that MCSO operates its jails in a manner that
    discriminates against its limited English proficient ("LEP") Latino inmates.
    - our investigation revealed a number of troubling incidents
    involving MCSO deputies using excessive force against Latinos.


    California LA County Sheriff / Antelope Valley findings:
    - Our investigation
    demonstrated reasonable cause to believe that LASD Antelope Valley deputies engage in a
    pattern or practice of misconduct in violation of the Constitution and federal law in a number of
    ways, including:
    • Pedestrian and vehicle stops that violate the Fourth Amendment;
    • Stops that appear motivated by racial bias, in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment and
    federal statutory law;
    • The use of unreasonable force in violation of the Fourth Amendment; and
    • Discrimination against Antelope Valley residents on the basis of race by making housing
    unavailable, altering the terms and conditions of housing, and coercing, intimidating, and
    interfering with their housing rights, in violation of the Fair Housing Act (FHA).'


    Connecticut East Haven PD findings:
    - a statistical analysis demonstrating that Latino drivers are disproportionally targeted for
    traffic stops;
    • an analysis oftraffic stops showing that officers use non-standard and, in some cases,
    unacceptable, justifications for stops that are not employed against non-Latino drivers,
    and post-stop treatment that shows EHPD treating Latino drivers more punitively than
    non-Latino drivers;
    • serious incidents of abuse of authority and retaliation against individuals who criticize or
    complain ofEHPD's discriminatory treatment ofLatinos;

    Evidence of blue wall of silence in a freaking DOJ inquiry? check
    - Second, we have grave concerns that
    Department leadership is creating a hostile and intimidating environment for anyone seeking to
    provide relevant information in our investigation.

    The last part is perhaps most disturbing. You can't fix a police department that operates by the same code as the much reviled and targeted thugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromontana View Post
    The start of the trail of DOJ Civil Rights Division's investigations into local PDs:
    DOJ has its own agenda and that agenda is definitely removed from and probably antithetical to what that noble Constitution supposedly gives us in the way of "civil rights." But hey, if DOJ is investigating, and what it's investigating bothers your Progressive and Politically Correct Conscience (found wholesale at Huffington Post, free baby!), then DOJ must be trying to do what's best for all. Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by char View Post
    The guy couldn't follow the commands he was given before he was shot either because he was mentally unhinged. This is becoming a bigger and bigger problem as more people with mental health issues are living on the streets.
    you define "mentally unhinged" as _____________?

    you define "mental health issues" as ______________?

    your source of wisdom / authority / rectitude / accuracy on these matters is _______________?

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    Quote Originally Posted by creaky fossil View Post
    DOJ has its own agenda and it's definitely removed from and probably antithetical to what that noble Constitution supposedly gives us in the way of "civil rights." But hey, if DOJ is investigating, and what it's investigating bothers your Progressive and Politically Correct Conscience (found wholesale at Huffington Post, free baby!), then DOJ must be trying to do what's best for all. Right?
    Creaky - If you want to dispute or even evaluate anything in those reports that's fine. Reading a .pdf from an investigative panel is hardly the same as feeding off the HuffPo wire. Do you think these investigations are beneficial? Is the recurring theme of unjust policing in the investigations less interesting to you than the snarky back n forth of the boards?
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    Don't try to soft-shout me down with an NPR voice, Mr Propagandist. Observe the points I made, then either refute them with rationale, or go back to your TED lecture on neurobiology "proving" that people are born evil, or some such shit.

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    James Boyd had by most accounts schizophrenia and had been in and out of mental hospitals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creaky fossil View Post
    Don't try to soft-shout me down with an NPR voice, Mr Propagandist. Observe the points I made, then either refute them with rationale, or go back to your TED lecture on neurobiology "proving" that people are born evil, or some such shit.
    If your points were on topic I might. The thread subject is real, it's quantifiable and it's been identified as a serious issue in LE agencies around the country by the DOJ. If you want to talk about propaganda delivery, HuffPo's editorial leanings, DOJ's ulterior motives etc, find another thread.

    The paper trail of investigations is interesting. Some, like Detroit, have - at least on paper - made big strides while under DOJ review. Others, like Cleveland, continue to fester. Putting more focus on these reviews and the follow up is a productive way to look and evaluate the overall situation, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creaky fossil View Post
    you define "mental health issues" as ______________?
    20-35% of homeless people have a serious mental illness, usually scivhizophremia, and the cops need to know and be prepared for it.

    If the cops aren't prepared for it and shoot him from a distance when he wasn't making any threatening movement, too bad, that is their fuckup and they should face the consequences.
    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    This is kinda like the goose that laid the golden egg, but shittier.

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    The officers in that vid. need to be prosecuted for man slaughter, if the vic. died. It looked like the vic. was attempting to comply and they just opened fire, then sent the dog on a severely wounded person. That is not the norm and more the exception. Hope all involved rot in prison.

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    Creaky, you ask him to refute the points you made:

    DOJ has its own agenda and that agenda is definitely removed from and probably antithetical to what that noble Constitution supposedly gives us in the way of "civil rights." But hey, if DOJ is investigating, and what it's investigating bothers your Progressive and Politically Correct Conscience (found wholesale at Huffington Post, free baby!), then DOJ must be trying to do what's best for all. Right?
    There's not much there to refute or agree with. No one has argued that DOJ investigations don't get influenced by various agendas. Most would agree though that they can have some value. What's the alternative you propose?

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    Police Behaving Badly

    No, but the poor nps have been catching a beating from Mother Nature lately. Tough life on that mountain.
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    State powers and process' failure.....What. The. Fuck. People?

    The feds need to come in a do some training......But, not CIA training....thank you very much.
    Terje was right.

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    "Drug raid in rural Georgia ends in a homeowner dead, no drugs found, and no police punished."


    http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/loc...back/20213383/

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    Aaaand the NYPD is back to planting guns on people they don't like. As is the norm in cases of police misconduct, no disciplinary action or criminal charges.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/ny...mers.html?_r=0

    "In 2007, federal prosecutors brought a case against Terry Cross, who was arrested after the police saw him in the backyard of a house where drug dealing was suspected. Officers found a gun in a gray plastic bag near where Mr. Cross was standing, as well as marijuana, the police said. Gun and drug charges were filed.

    "In that case, too, there was a confidential informer, the police said, and the defendant asked prosecutors to bring that person to court. Prosecutors opposed the motion, and later said the informer had died.

    "Lieutenant Babington and a partner, Victor Troiano, along with two other officers, testified in pretrial hearings in 2008. Afterward, the District Court judge, Dora L. Irizarry, said the officers’ testimony “was just incredible, and I say ‘incredible’ as a matter of law.”

    “I believe these officers perjured themselves,” Judge Irizarry added. “In my view, there is a serious possibility that some evidence was fabricated by these officers.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by char View Post
    James Boyd had by most accounts schizophrenia and had been in and out of mental hospitals.
    ...and?

    tell us more. what do you know of bipolar, MPD, fractured psyche? any experience with it, either helping others who have one of those situations, or having one of them yourself?

    how about mental hospitals? been in one? visited anyone residing in one? worked in one? what do you think of Kesey's One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? overblown exaggeration for plot and story, or close to reality?

    not picking on you char, I'd have these Qs in response to what you wrote no matter who wrote it.

    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    Creaky, ...there's not much there to refute or agree with. No one has argued that DOJ investigations don't get influenced by various agendas. Most would agree though that they can have some value. What's the alternative you propose?
    this is so weak, criticism isn't valid unless an alternative is on offer? I see such thoughts displayed, and I say to myself, "there's someone who knows nothing about the process of complex problem solving."

    what is the "some value" of an entity investigating itself and its own agenda?

    in what world is DOJ on the side of citizens, rather than govt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by creaky fossil View Post
    in what world is DOJ on the side of citizens, rather than govt?
    Because no matter how fucking jaded or bitter you are, some people who work for government actually care about the people and what happens to them.
    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    This is kinda like the goose that laid the golden egg, but shittier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powtario View Post
    Because no matter how fucking jaded or bitter you are, some people who work for government actually care about the people and what happens to them.
    shit, you speak of a fictional construct in your mind, and you think I inhabit the construct

    slayin' the straw men, one mistaken read at a time!

    gosh, good people in govt! what a concept! you know anyone who works in a govt job, kiddo? you worked one yrseff, kiddo?

    good handle switch. really clever. "Hey, I like arguing non-points and being condescendingly passive-aggressive, makes me feel superior! Who am I? 3 guesses. HAH HAH HAH. heh."

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