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01-14-2022, 08:33 PM #1926
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01-14-2022, 09:11 PM #1927Registered User
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01-14-2022, 09:24 PM #1928King potato
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Got out on the gunsmoke today for the first time this season and gosh it’s still such a great ski. The 193 has awesome stability, great edge hold and you can smear you’re turns with such little effort but precision. It also just has more of a jib feel than the rustlers and is great for tricks and landing switch.
I know wasatchblack isn’t a big fan of the Gunsmoke, but there really is nothing out there as good for strong freeride / freestyle skiing.
Wish they’d do a mini run of these like they did the bodacious, a few of the blizzard sponsored FWQ/FWT agree too
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01-14-2022, 09:45 PM #1929
What's Blizzard up to?
I guess another way of saying it is that compared to an Volkl M102 or K108 the Cochise 106 skis groomers like shit. But, the Cochise 106 has a more natural feel off trail than either the Volkls. I think the Cochise 106 is a good ski for the right skier, but I doubt it will have the broad appeal that the OG Cochise had.
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01-15-2022, 12:49 AM #1930Registered User
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01-15-2022, 06:36 PM #1931
Still don't understand the rationale behind the chopping of the Gunsmoke and peacemaker. They could have kept those two skis in the lineup and come out with the rustler series and still have a following of people flocking to the Gunsmoke.
That being said, the M-free as a Colorado ski is arguably a better solution for me.
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01-15-2022, 07:30 PM #1932
A) I bet making the Rustlers is cheaper than the Gunsmokes and Peacemakers.
B) They would be concerned about cannibalism in the line.
C) I bet they sell way more Rustler 10’s than they ever did Peacemakers. It’s like the official ski of “will never be better than blue groomers” skiers.In constant pursuit of the perfect slarve...
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01-15-2022, 07:39 PM #1933
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01-16-2022, 07:00 AM #1934Registered User
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Maybe the R9s and R10s, but the R11 is inferior to the Gunsmoke in every conceivable way.
The Gunsmoke wasn’t perfect, actually that’s wrong., it was perfect. The Blank is the closest replacement, but the turn radius is a bit too small. I like my Blanks, but I’d buy 2 pairs of 193 Gunsmokes if Blizzard did a limited run.
Wasatch has asked what’s different and why we like the Gunsmoke so much, and I struggle to put it into words. It had all of the feeling that we love from Blizzard, but still had a looseness that made it so easy to ski in technical terrain. The ski was consistent, and the R11 I feel like the tip/tail just isn’t. Where the metal ends it just doesn’t feel like the rest of the ski. On my R9s that’s 100% ok because I ski over the middle of that ski, but on a bigger/wider/longer ski, I like more consistency.
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01-16-2022, 10:24 AM #1935
From a material standpoint Rustler is more expensive to make than Gunsmoke/Peacemaker was. However when you sell 50x more it’s easy to justify.
Prolly never see a re release of of either ski.
The skis were challenged by so many things other than the skis themselves which sucks.
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01-16-2022, 10:31 AM #1936
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01-16-2022, 07:27 PM #1937
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01-16-2022, 07:41 PM #1938
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01-16-2022, 07:48 PM #1939
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I’m glad to hear someone figured that skied out. I really liked them off piste but never jived with them on firmer stuff. Felt like a lot more effort to get them to turn on groomers versus something like an M102 or K108. Might be I just prefer the feel of those better. I was really disappointed that I didn’t click with the Cochise 106 since I like the OG version so much.
My firm snow ski is a 187 Brahma 88, which I feel like I can handle just fine. I never got the Brahma vibes from the new Cochise, but again we just weren’t meant to be a pair.In constant pursuit of the perfect slarve...
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01-16-2022, 07:50 PM #1940
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01-16-2022, 07:53 PM #1941Registered User
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01-16-2022, 08:08 PM #1942Registered User
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What's Blizzard up to?
Numbers don’t lie.
I get it, I’ll keep hoping, but it’s pretty simple to see out skiing. You see R11s everywhere, almost never saw Gunsmokes.
Yes, only the 193s. I didn’t ski the 18X, but would of had I lived back east.
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01-16-2022, 08:17 PM #1943
Go read my post #1912 - if you have any specific questions, I’m happy to answer.
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01-16-2022, 08:21 PM #1944
Bonafides (carbon tip era) are heavier, stiffer tail, slightly stiffer tip.
Cochise is looser.
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01-17-2022, 02:48 PM #1945
Skied the cochise 106 in 6-10” of heavy cut up snow today. What a blast. It was like I was skiing on groomers
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01-17-2022, 03:03 PM #1946
Thanks, missed that one before. Good info.
I'm intrigued by the 106 being such a big improvement in steep, tight spots — because I already like the OG a lot there. It's a blend of a lot of stability/good suspension while still being quite loose and easy to pivot that works super well for me. So that sounds rad.
Guess I need to find a pair.
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01-17-2022, 06:04 PM #1947
One of the biggest differences between the Cochise 106 and the OG is how the sidecut is laid out on the ski. This is why people might say the OG skis better on groomers than the present one.
Original Bodacious, Cochise, Bonafide had a much more carving ski approach to the sidecut design. This is what happens when you’re an Austrian brand that hasn’t made that many successful freeride skis. Even though the radius printed on the ski was long there were a bunch of different radius’s in the tip and tail similar to a carving ski where the higher the edge angle the more side cut you’d engage. This is why if you’re a good skier and can lay the ski way up and stand on it through the turn you could pull a much tighter radius than what was labeled on the ski. It made them pretty damn fun on groomers for a wide ski with a seemingly long radius.
However in order to make this side cut design work the skis had to be very torsionally stiff at the tip and tail. All this combined is what hurt the performance in steep/ technical terrain for skiers that maybe didn’t smear or pivot the skis but instead would tip them up. They could feel pretty demanding and it was easy to get out of balance.
New Cochise 106 has a whole different approach to sidecut design and torsional stiffness. They still arc really well but maybe don’t have that crazy pull through the middle of the turn that the OG had. However I think they’re much more nimble in tighter, steeper, technical terrain/conditions. The tails release much easier as they have less sidecut at the ends of the skis and they’re a bit softer torsionally. It’s easier to recover if you get out of balance and they’re just less punishing if you’re not on your game.
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01-17-2022, 07:11 PM #1948
Whoa, ski science. Blizzard has been making great free ride skis at least since the Titan Pro and even Titan 9. They got a little off track with the IQ stuff, but at the time a ski/binding rail package was what marketing dictated. I think what Blizzard never did well until the Bone/Cochise/Bodacious/Brahma line came out was marketing. Also, its approach to just softening up its freeride line (Peacemaker, Kabookie, Bushwacker) was indeed whack.
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01-17-2022, 07:57 PM #1949
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01-17-2022, 08:29 PM #1950
I don't know what the best selling ski you are referring to, but if it is the Bone, I'd say a lot of it has to do with marketing and what is good and fairly easy ski for a lot of ok skiers. I have owned OG Cochise, Bodacious and Bushwacker. While the bushwhacker was OK, it was just a soft ski that was not that light and had a clear speed limit. They were whack in that they were only softer versions of other more popular skis manufactured by Blizzard. I call that laziness. In the 95-105 underfoot ski I'd prefer Kastle, Nordica, Head and Stockli offerings. Bones are/were popular to the masses in the same way as say the Volkl 5 star, but they were really not ever the best in their catagory.
Any way, just stating my opinion.“How does it feel to be the greatest guitarist in the world? I don’t know, go ask Rory Gallagher”. — Jimi Hendrix
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