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  1. #1051
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    Iím looking at a pair of 188cm Rustler 10s as an every day/small storm ski for out west. I usually like my skis around 192-194 cm, but get along great with the 188cm Rustler 9s. How do the Rustler 10s ski? Iím nervous they will feel really short.

    Maybe asking it this way would be better, Iím looking to fill the gap in my quiver between my 188cm Rustler/187 Brahma/194 MX98s, and my 192BMX 115/193 Mindbender 116C/193 Shiro. Do you guys think the Rustler 10 could slide in there and be alright, or will it feel too short?

    Or any other suggestions for a ski to slide in to that spot? Maybe the new/updated Cochise?


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    Quote Originally Posted by skibrd View Post
    Iím looking at a pair of 188cm Rustler 10s as an every day/small storm ski for out west. I usually like my skis around 192-194 cm, but get along great with the 188cm Rustler 9s. How do the Rustler 10s ski? Iím nervous they will feel really short.

    Maybe asking it this way would be better, Iím looking to fill the gap in my quiver between my 188cm Rustler/187 Brahma/194 MX98s, and my 192BMX 115/193 Mindbender 116C/193 Shiro. Do you guys think the Rustler 10 could slide in there and be alright, or will it feel too short?

    Or any other suggestions for a ski to slide in to that spot? Maybe the new/updated Cochise?


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    The 10 in a 188 has been my everyday ski for the past 3 years. I love them. I tested the new Cochise at Mammoth in February and they will be replacing my 10's. They're just as playful and nimble but hold an edge way better and don't chatter at all, a bit closer to my BMX 105 hps. It has a more directional shape and a beefier construction. I would go for the Cochise.

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    Hey skibrd I have a friend with a pair of 188 rustler 10 hes trying to sell. Good shape, drilled twice. Shoot me a PM if you want more info.

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    Get the Cochise

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    if you like R9s chances are good that you will like the current R10s - they should ski pretty similarly, or more so than R10s and R11s anyway. The current R10 is a bit heavier than the one Jay P has been riding these past seasons and should bridge the gap a bit from the Cochises he/you compares his to. I would not get the lighter og version - they are a bit on the light side. I really enjoyed my 2020 R10s. They def ski differently than a narrower R11s - re my previous post in this thread. R10s do not annihilate dense/wet variable, but are extremely fun in anything remotely soft and poppy & fun on hard snow. My best turn of the 2020 season was on said R10s. They prefer shorter turns on hard snow, but you can get them to turn like you want in anything softer. The only reason I sold mine was due to me mounting them with ATK FR14s that I ended up not liking, so sold the ski+binding thinking I would just get a new pair during the end of season sale with different bindings. Instead I decided to wait, try a pair of Fischer Ranger 102 fr I had. The tune on the 102fr was/is pretty terrible and so far they feel/ski like crap (though my expectations for them was perhaps a bit unrealistic). I imagine R10s would be even better with a heavier binding. My two pair quiver would be R10s + R11s if I could only have two pairs - they really cover most conditions one would see, are easy to ski yet very fun while coping with lots of speed. The main negative thing I can think of for R11s is the lack of a 184cm ski - the gap between 180 (178-79 irl) and the 188 is too big imho. I would like R10s to do bigger arcs even better, though a detune and a heavier more elastic binding could improve their abilities in that regard a lot. so long story short - i really, really like r10s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    if you like R9s chances are good that you will like the current R10s - they should ski pretty similarly, or more so than R10s and R11s anyway. The current R10 is a bit heavier than the one Jay P has been riding these past seasons and should bridge the gap a bit from the Cochises he/you compares his to. I would not get the lighter og version - they are a bit on the light side. I really enjoyed my 2020 R10s. They def ski differently than a narrower R11s - re my previous post in this thread. R10s do not annihilate dense/wet variable, but are extremely fun in anything remotely soft and poppy & fun on hard snow. My best turn of the 2020 season was on said R10s. They prefer shorter turns on hard snow, but you can get them to turn like you want in anything softer. The only reason I sold mine was due to me mounting them with ATK FR14s that I ended up not liking, so sold the ski+binding thinking I would just get a new pair during the end of season sale with different bindings. Instead I decided to wait, try a pair of Fischer Ranger 102 fr I had. The tune on the 102fr was/is pretty terrible and so far they feel/ski like crap (though my expectations for them was perhaps a bit unrealistic). I imagine R10s would be even better with a heavier binding. My two pair quiver would be R10s + R11s if I could only have two pairs - they really cover most conditions one would see, are easy to ski yet very fun while coping with lots of speed. The main negative thing I can think of for R11s is the lack of a 184cm ski - the gap between 180 (178-79 irl) and the 188 is too big imho. I would like R10s to do bigger arcs even better, though a detune and a heavier more elastic binding could improve their abilities in that regard a lot. so long story short - i really, really like r10s.
    Sounds like they might fit what Iím looking for. A lot of what you said is how I feel about the R9s, great in everything except heavy wet slop, which will work for me. In that heavy wet slop (bottom 1/4 of the resort in the spring) on the R9s I use the suspension in the ski and tails to pop off/over everything to just get down to the bottom. Whatís super interesting is I skied the R9s more days then I thought I would. Iíd have them, Brahmas, and MX98s in my truck, and Iíd grab the R9s more often then not. I like that the R10s arenít a narrow R11, because I didnít quite mesh with the R11, I wanted it to be what I thought an updated Gunsmoke should be, and it isnít that ski, itís more of a comp ski with a bit of a nerf for the general public, maybe thatís not right. A lot of people love the R11, so itís probably a great ski, just not what I wanted. Iíll report back with my feelings/thoughts on the R10 when itís time to shred. Now I need to find either an old pair of blue or silver Pivots, or another white pair.

    Not being able to make long turns bothered me for a bit on the R9s, so when Iím feeling like big long turns, I grab the Brahmas or MX98s, correct tool for the job.

    Iíve tried Cochises a few times now and something just isnít quite right for me. WSTDeep thinks itís my skiing style, which has evolved a lot thanks to his teaching/pestering over the past 5 seasons. I always look at the Cochise and think it will be awesome but idk, never is quite right. Iíve grown to like a bit more upright stance, and found that I prefer skis mounted a bit further forward then what the Cochise suggests. Maybe the new version of the Cochise will suit me better, but for now R10s.

    Thanks for the offer Nick but Iím going to grab a pair of left over 2020 R10s, prices are sub $500 for a BNIP pair, that fine for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by skibrd View Post

    Iíve tried Cochises a few times now and something just isnít quite right for me. WSTDeep thinks itís my skiing style, which has evolved a lot thanks to his teaching/pestering over the past 5 seasons. I always look at the Cochise and think it will be awesome but idk, never is quite right. Iíve grown to like a bit more upright stance, and found that I prefer skis mounted a bit further forward then what the Cochise suggests. Maybe the new version of the Cochise will suit me better, but for now R10s.

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    This is my conundrum too.

    Cochise FOMO vs reality check.

    I love my green 2019 R11s mounted at +1cm (-6.7cm) with Shifts, and think I want a pair of Cochises to rage inbounds with some extra Pivots I have (white btw), but I also never seem to feel right on skis with mount points around -10cm to -11cm. I prefer -5cm to -7cm??

    Itís probably my upright stance/style and likely just being lazy being the reason that I like forward mounts. Iím in shape and can ski but sometimes am sliding turns when I should really carve...Iíve spent a lot of time on Renegades/Hojis and Factions and Icelanticís with full rocker/flat rocker/minimal camber = fun to slide your tails.

    Got the pow side covered with some 183cm Faction Candides (-5cm) and 182cm BC Animas (-5.5cm). And also have some 180cm (177cm stated length) K2 Marksman (-5cm) for spring slush and park/groomer days.

    But itís about quiver building....and having skis that challenge you. And ski different from each other.

    So at this point in my COVID-induced over analysis ski obsessing for a ski season that seems so long away...Iím thinking of adding
    a 2020 Cochise. Looking at the 178cm Cochise as Iím 5í7Ē, 165 lbs, and my 180cm R11s are the perfect size.

    Anyone skied the Blizzard R11s and the newer Cochise a lot and still loved them both? Equally?
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    Fischer Ranger 102 FR is supposedly a ski similar to what you are describing kc and most/all reviews are fairly glowing. They are supposed to be a bit more demanding than R10s, but still fairly loose and playful while retaining solid carving ability. They are supposedly fairly accomodating wrt mount point, with recommended being -10, but people mounting them at -6. The narrower version aka FR94s mount point is further forward at 7.5. So far my pair has yet to convince me due to an aweful tune making them ski like shit, though some tuning could change that. I have not tried any gen Cochise. Last but not least, they are practically giving them away at Sport Conrad and Sport Bittl nowadays at 40-50% off, so they could be worth a shot. I do not know if they ship across the pond.

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    I love my OG cochise. Been my daily driver for many years. Also own the R11, which I really like. My son got a set of Faction Dictator 3.0 and they are comparable in feel and intended use, but with a slightly more modern twist. Very nice ski.

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    I have some of the blue 185 Cochises with the carbon tip and tail I think I'm going to sell pretty cheap. They're in excellent shape. Don't think I'll ride lifts much this year unless I'm with a 6 year old, so they'll probably just sit idle if I keep them. PM me if interested.

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    Had a pair of Rustler 9s that were swapped out for Enforcer 93s, then Menace 98 and finally to the Fisher 102FR while on a trip to Utah when the 98s werenít loving the rough conditions.

    Like most skis from the factory, my Fisher 102 FR did not have flat bases(edge high tip/tail) from the factory and the edge angles were inconsistent. Covid hasnít allowed a stone grind yet but they were made much better by first using bastard file dragged flat across ski to reduce edge high spots then used files/stones to set consistent base/edge levels. I run them sharp tip tail with no detuning(except above taper to reduce top sheet chipping) and are pretty good now. Will be even better after a grind.

    The original Rustler 10 is a fun, forgiving and playful ski that just doesnít have the weight or sidecut to be great in crud or at higher speeds. The heavier 2020 version is better but still not as good as options like the Enforcer 104 or 102 FR. Owning both, the heavier Enforcer 104 is damper and itís increased rocker/tail splay make it super easy to pivot in bumps and tight spots especially with the mount moved forward(mine +2cm or -6.9cm). The Fisher 102 FR is stiffer than the Rustler 10 or E104 so itís a bit less forgiving but itís carving performance, stability at high speed and edge hold are the best of the group. A 191cm 102FR is available too. The 102 FR isnít a heavy ski(similar to 2020 Rustler 10) but itís smooth tip slope effortlessly glides over crud. Iíve got mine mounted at +2.5 cm/-7.4cm and itís seems a good comprise although many do mount more forward. Many types of skiers could enjoy the 102FR with a mounting point adjustment.

    The Fisher 94FR is quite light even compared to the 102FR, so not great in crud like the Rustler 9. The new Enforcer 94 might be the ticket in that width for a great all around ski thatís still good in crud.

    The current Cochise is a heavier, more traditional charger type ski that is going to be a lighter(100 grams plus) and softer at the tip/tail for the new 2021 version I hear. Same traditional 11cm back mount point though.
    Thinking an Enforcer 104 or 110 with the mount moved up 2cm might be an option in between a Rustler 10/11 and the Cochise. Fisher 102FR could be considered as well if youíre willing to give up some dampness for increased precision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noslow View Post
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    Excellent post - thanks for the insight!

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    Hi,

    Thx. Good last few posts. Funny that Iíve been looking hard at the Enforcer 104 Free and Fischer 102FR a lot too. I like the dampness of the Nordica and itís skiability if you move the mount forward. I agree I would mount the Nordica 104s at +2 (-6.75cm) in my sweet spot. And the Nordica 104 tails sound like I could slide them if I wanted to. Iíve also owned and liked Patrons and Helldorados in the past. Have read the Blister review of the Fischers....sounds awesome, just havenít seen a ton of them on the hill. Enforcers are everywhere and the Prices are really good on enforcers. Not as good on the Fischerís ($599CDN). Thereís a local shop selling the 2020 Nordica Free 104 for $479CDN delivered ($350US) and Iíve seen Corbettís has the 2020 Cochise for $509CDN delivered ($360US)....

    given I have a spare pair of STHs with 100mm brakes and some Pivots with 115mm brakes and I bet Iíve saved $1,500 in gas over 3 months not commuting, working from home, I think the world is telling me I should just buy both the Nordica Free 104 and Cochise. Thanks for the new skis COVID.

    Cochises would be so fun to own. If they kick my ass could just jump to the R11s or Free 104s.

    Keep an eye on Quiver Pic thread in the fall...
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    In Canada, Iíve yet to see the Fisher 102FR for sale but saw all the positive reviews online and figured Iíd like them. They were $419 US with free Binding mount when skiing in Utah, so figured why not! Stole my bindings from my Menace 98s to use on them and sold the 98s before I left Utah.

    Live 1.5 hour drive from Corbetts and have bought over 20 pairs of skis from them so know them very well Iím afraid. 😂

    The Enforcer 104 is the more easy going and surfy of the two with the Fisher 102 FR a bit more serious feeling. LOVE the Enforcers in soft moguls and in trees. Thinking a stone grind should make my Fishers easier to pivot but the stiffer flex and reduced tail rocker in comparison to the E104 will keep them less forgiving. Both are great skis with myself slightly preferring the Fishers on piste and Enforcers off piste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kc_7777 View Post
    Hi,
    Cochises would be so fun to own. If they kick my ass could just jump to the R11s or Free 104s.
    I haven't read all the upthread stuff, so this may not exactly apply.
    Consider the 185 Cochises. I've skied nearly every version of the Cochise and thought I wanted to stay in the 177/178's.
    I haven't skied the new Cochise, however.

    Last year I ended up taking some 185 Cochises [Blue; carbon tips/tails] off my cousin.
    The stability boost was pretty nuts. (Way more margin when landing big airs.)

    There are a few places where I'd want them shorter, but it's like 1% of the time.
    And I'm also 5'7" and 20# lighter. I'd never give the 185's up now.

    I really wish I had a mint pair of the OG ones, but the newer carbon ones are just fine - they just ski a little different. (A little more edge, and little less tank-ish. I prefer the tank-ish ones, but the edge can be nice too.)

    All that said - I ski hard, fast and I'm an adrenaline junkie. So, what I like may well not apply to you - but I'd really encourage you to take some time to ski the 185. You might find it a lot more like-able than you'd imagine. (If you're in my neck of the woods [Portland OR] you're welcome to rage on mine for a day, if you can pry my hands off them. I have a couple of different 177/178's you're also welcome to try.)

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    Cochise has become my daily driver. Like LP, but a bit more side cut and rocker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorys View Post
    Consider the 185 Cochises. I've skied nearly every version of the Cochise and thought I wanted to stay in the 177/178's.
    I haven't skied the new Cochise, however.
    Last year I ended up taking some 185 Cochises off my cousin. The stability boost was pretty nuts. (Way more margin when landing big airs.)
    There are a few places where I'd want them shorter, but it's like 1% of the time.
    And I'm also 5'7" and 20# lighter. I'd never give the 185's up now. I'd really encourage you to take some time to ski the 185. You might find it a lot more like-able than you'd imagine. (If you're in my neck of the woods [Portland OR] you're welcome to rage on mine for a day, if you can pry my hands off them. I have a couple of different 177/178's you're also welcome to try.)
    Noted. I hear ya.

    I spent years on 185 Opus, 185 Helldos, 185 Patrons, 186 Rens, 187 Hojis, 184 Devs. Even had some 2013 190cm Bibbys. I can ski those lengths and always thought I needed to be on a ski around 185cm to rip fast. But at 5í7Ē Iím just over 170cm tall? Then got on some 181cm NAS Pows and realized 179-182 is more my good length? At 165 lbs I can float on a 175cm, 100mm waist ski.

    So in my mind, on the 185, and @ -10 (Iím going +1cm from -11cm on the Cochise as I have a short bsl of 289mm) that would be a ton of tip. ie if Iím used to a 180cm ski mounted at -6cm....then 180/2= 90 + 6 = 96cm from boot center to tip. A 185 Cochise would be 185/2=92.5 + 10 = 102.5 from bc to tip.

    Would just feel planky? But Iím sure I could ski it and they would feel stable at speed and and haul ass.

    A 178 Cochise would be 178/2 = 89 + 10 = 99 from bc to tip....still a lot in front, but more what Iím used to these days.

    And I think a lot of people over ski themselves.
    I know I used to. Not anymore.

    Re being in Portland. I wish I was in Hood River, OR windsurfing right now. Best place for spending my summers. Love the beer in Portland too. But I donít think the border will be open for a while. Hopefully it is open by winter as I love skiing Baker storms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kc_7777 View Post

    And I think a lot of people over ski themselves.
    I know I used to.
    I agree with this and Iím usually a proponent of ski bigger ski. You need to know and accept your skiing ability and how strong physically you are.

    Two or three winters ago I was skiing every day, coaching hockey 4-5 days a week, actually going to the gym (novel concept), and I could ski my 202 Rangers, the 203 Shiros all day long. The last two winters I got home late, mid-dec last year and early Jan the year before, and never got strong enough to ski those big skis all day every day. I just had to realize if I was going on a big mission where Iíd want the 203 Shiros, to grab them and know one big run was all I had in me, but if we were mini golfing OB laps, then I had to grab something 192-194, even going to where Iíd grab my touring gear if we were planning on a lot of OB laps.

    Iím hoping for low snow OB laps, the 188 Rustler 10 will be fine. The length makes me a tad nervous, but hopefully the weight and easy of skiing them will make up for it. We will see, if they donít cut it, you guys will get first dibs!


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