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Thread: California is Burning (Again)
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10-10-2019, 02:44 PM #426
I guess all those Tesla owners out there are a wee bit less smug today.
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10-10-2019, 02:54 PM #427
Here’s an interesting swing, our hardwire (copper) landline and dsl went out this morning. Looking at my generator, it’s run for over 150hrs (conservative #) powering our house from various pge outages and we’ve never experienced a disruption in landline and dsl. I called our provider, AT&T, and was told that their backup power failed. They’ll be able to restore service once pge powers up some (uncertain) portion of the grid.
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10-10-2019, 02:57 PM #428
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10-10-2019, 03:11 PM #429
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10-10-2019, 04:00 PM #430
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10-10-2019, 04:14 PM #431
I heard the Caples controlled burn is now a wildfire. I think it has to be declared a wildfire to get additional resources on it (some fire guy correct me if I'm wrong).
To be fair, they started the burn with snow on the ground and before this wind event wasn't forecasted.
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10-10-2019, 04:33 PM #432
No mention of any of that in their update here...
https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/CAEN...0-134552-0.pdf
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10-10-2019, 06:17 PM #433Registered User
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But ... Wait ......
Paradise was a brand new community? Forcing itself into the urban forest interface??
Pretty sure it's been there long enough to indicate something else is afoot.
Oh, and controlled burns in October?!?!? If true (seems unlikely) then somebody deserve a promotion.
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10-10-2019, 08:21 PM #434
Caples Creek, 4 Miles Northwest of Kirkwood
Federal DPA, FRA, Eldorado National Forest
Start time: 1343
2,000 acres, timber, 30% contained
Moderate rate of spread
67 degrees, 6% RH, Wind ESE @ 5 mph, gusts to 15
CAL FIRE air and ground resources assisting
Lassen Hot Shots en route. Plenty of room to get it in check.
I'm guessing you don't live here.
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10-10-2019, 09:05 PM #435
Santa Cruz is a patchwork of power. We never lost it. Others did. Some is back on.
We pretty much saw power lost In every direction around us. Odd that we had power the entire time.
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10-10-2019, 09:45 PM #436
It may not be possible to prevent all powerline started wildfires but PGE has been taking in profits by forgoing maintenance and replacing of its equipment. That is well established.
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10-10-2019, 10:17 PM #437Registered User
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10-10-2019, 10:36 PM #438
California is Burning (Again)
I’m in town, 5 minutes from my road and 10 minutes from my house. Power is on in town. Pge website says estimated power restoration for my house will be 11pm October 13. 73 hrs from now... wow
ETA: they’re saying that for everywhere in my area....
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10-10-2019, 10:52 PM #439
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10-10-2019, 10:54 PM #440
Pretty much this. What this all boils down to is the state needs to take over the power grid. For profit companies can't be trusted as there is a conflict of interest between public safety and increasing profits by deferring maintenance, and they have no control over public land use policy so people build in fire traps and demand power.
I do support pg&e here in the blackout. Something about the current situation must change. Either the state needs to regulate the shit out of the maintenance program and indemnify pg&e, take over the grid entirely and maintain it themselves, or just let a private company function as they decide and people have to deal with it if the state wants to hold them fully accountable when shit goes wrong.
This is a hard lesson in risk management for the public.
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10-10-2019, 11:44 PM #441
I am not a lawyer but I don’t think that PGE is required by law to supply power to people in fire traps. Please correct me if I am wrong. If I am not wrong, then this is nothing more than a money grab by PGE. PGE should either say “no way will I supply power to you because it is unsafe” or do it in a safe way and figure out some way to pay for it. No state regulations should be required if PGE was negligent. If there is some gray area, then regulations can help.
And for the record, I would not mind a state run utility. Better yet, everyone get solar power so that we can decentralize the power grid. No one talks about it, yet a centralized power grid is a national security issue. Imagine a cyber attack where you take out the power grid or try to start fires during peak fire season.
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10-10-2019, 11:59 PM #442
Power is back on at my place. The wind never blew over 10 mph. Pg&e still came by and “inspected the lines.
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10-11-2019, 12:42 AM #443
Yeah, so Judge Alsup in April of this year, with all the evidence in front of him at their probation hearing for criminal negligence for not maintaining their gas lines was wrong when he said, "PG&E pumped out $4.5 billion in dividends and let the tree budget wither"?
In related news, fire in Sylmar just jumped 118 and 5 at Newhall (all twelve lanes or whatever) and is raging totally out of control. Spotting like a mile or two ahead of the main fire. Looks like could level some subdivisions. Winds in Newhall gusting around 50 and 5% RH. They're calling it the Saddle Ridge Fire.
ETA:
And, yes, we should municipalize PG&E (probably SCE and SDG&E too). Their business model wouldn't be long for the world anyway, even without fire danger. The nature of energy economics is shifting entirely and the model makes less sense with each passing year. See Wara discussion here: https://twitter.com/MichaelWWara/sta...628591104?s=19
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10-11-2019, 12:54 AM #444
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10-11-2019, 12:58 AM #445
Recent clips from this dude more on point.
https://twitter.com/564FIREPhoto?s=09
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10-11-2019, 07:39 AM #446
The problem is a bit more tricky than this. Read up on the Tennessee Valley Authority Act and the history there. The CA PUC pretty much mandates that people get power somehow, and the TVA act from the 30's is a bit of a hammer that PG&E could be taken over by the govt if they are found to be discriminating against a class of citizens (poorer rural folks). Combine this with land use policy that allows people to build and rebuild in fire traps, poor forest management where the utility crosses through, and saddling the utility with UNLIMITED FINANCIAL AND CRIMINAL LIABILITY in the event of a fire, and what is a business to do? How can PG&E mitigate their risk? Shut it down and fly the bird at the public.
The State has backed the power companies into a corner. This is the only smart business move here.
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10-11-2019, 08:22 AM #447
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10-11-2019, 08:31 AM #448
Sorry. Meant 5 and 210. Started just east of 5 and just north of 210. Jumped 5 and slopped over 210 a bit to the south. When I wrote that, it was heading toward 118 and Topanga. Still is. So wrote 118 when meant to write 210.
Winds are supposed to come down a lot by noon or so, so hopefully that helps them get a better handle on it before too much more damage.
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10-11-2019, 09:00 AM #449
“Today: The Caples prescribed burn was declared a wildland fire on October 10 at approximately 1:30 pm. Fire managers made the decision due to unfavorable weather conditions and the inability to meet previously established objectives. This change allows for additional resources to assist in suppression from partners such as CalFire.
The Caples prescribed burn began as pile burning 10 days ago under favorable conditions following rain and snowstorms. This is part of a larger, multi-year forest restoration project. The goal of this project is to promote a healthy resilient forest by reintroducing fire to the landscape. In anticipation of the upcoming strong winds, fire managers began building fireline and conducting firing operations to secure the fire perimeter. Unfavorable conditions over the past few days prevented crews from being able to complete the firing operations contributed to the incident being declared a wildland fire”
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10-11-2019, 09:00 AM #450
While it's true that people building in these areas knew of the elevated fire risk, same as folks who build in a flood plane enticed by much lower property costs.. It's also true that the utility companies have an obligation to mitigate the risks associated with the delivery of their products in a reasonable manner.
It's also true that climate change is raising these risks and all that matters there, all the proof you need, is to see how the insurance company actuaries reflect these elevated risks in premiums.. or not even insuring them at all so the government steps in like they do with National Flood Insurance. If they don't have it already, look for National Fire Insurance coming to these areas if people keep rebuilding there after disaster after disaster.. Or is national subsidized insurance only for rich people who can afford million dollar plus beach houses??Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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