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Thread: Home Remodel: Do, Don'ts, Advice
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06-06-2022, 03:43 PM #6751AF
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[QUOTE=Touring_Sedan;6629315]If the tank is in good shape, I'd just replace the pipe and possibly the valve. Spend a bit more on the valve, you'll be happy you didn't skimp on that one when you need it. I'd definitely us a flexible line, especially with the couple of small quakes we've had over the past few years. Make sure the tank is strapped to a stud too. Show your wife where the water main shutoff is, and put one of these on the floor next to the heater. It's saved us a couple of times.
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06-07-2022, 03:05 PM #6752
Need a sanity check from more experienced real men.
Part of my big floor project - I removing a small closet that used to house a water heater. Already taken down the wall and door jam.
I'm 99% this last stud isn't 'bearing' jack but wanted a 'what would a maggot do?' before I finish.
It's not over a floor joist - it's barely even resting on the subfloor (floor joist is where utility knife is in pics). The 2nd story is built on these manufactured joists but I have some pre-remodel type beams that run along. This stud does tie into an ancillary ancient beam - barely. Hope these pics make it clear. The stud/closet is only like 4 ft from the supporting exterior cinderblock wall.
Floor:
Ceiling:
(not the actual old "beam" but similar - just a joist over to the right. To me, it looks like these hold the ceiling drywall up and nothing else)
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06-07-2022, 03:28 PM #6753
cut the bitch.
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06-07-2022, 03:37 PM #6754
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06-07-2022, 03:54 PM #6755
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06-07-2022, 03:56 PM #6756
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06-07-2022, 04:27 PM #6757
^that's my starting point. Maybe removing this will right everything? My logic is infallible.
Edit. It's gone. Wasn't supporting squat as in the beam didn't even rest on it. Unless there was some structural ceiling drywall action in place as that was all that was between them. Couldn't see it until I remove something akin to a lintel. I'll post any subsequent collapses for yucks and maybe nudez of the misses & sis; but not together because that'd be weird.Last edited by CarlMega; 06-07-2022 at 05:14 PM.
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06-07-2022, 06:57 PM #6758one of those sickos
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Nearly every time I cut out jack studs supporting a header or even a significant beam, they seem to have no weight on them. Drywall is more structural than you'd think.
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06-07-2022, 07:21 PM #6759
"Assemblies" are ridiculously strong when well build. I've seen an 80 x 20' deck float in air. I usually demo them by cutting a couple holes in the decking and basket strapping a couple joists and hooking to the crane, then I chainsaw the posts. I asked the crane operator how much pressure he has on and he said none. He cabled down a foot and nothing moved.
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06-07-2022, 07:42 PM #6760
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06-09-2022, 09:55 AM #6761
Given that the HWH is 15 years old (albeit very well maintained) and an unknown amount of water had leaked onto the outside of the tank causing an unknown amount of corrosion to the unprotected outside of the tank and the connections, I decided I needed to replace the whole unit. While sizing up the install the plumber (whom I trust is not scamming me) determined that my pressure-reducing valve has gone bad and also needs to be replaced. $4k all in, and to access the PRV he needs to rip out some drywall in a room I just completely refinished. FML.
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06-09-2022, 09:16 PM #6762
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06-10-2022, 01:45 AM #6763
Even assuming $1k in parts
And $140 an hour.
That’s 21 hours labor. Wtf. I wouldn’t call that plumber honest and trustworthy.
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06-10-2022, 05:01 AM #6764AF
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06-10-2022, 08:42 AM #6765
Same guy installed my old HWH 15 years ago and it cost under $800 IIRC. Seems unlikely he's turned into a crook since then. Parts are way more than $1k these days. Also, remember, the $4k included the new PRV ($700) and I had him run a snake down my main sewer line. I have a big tree in my front yard and the cleanout is behind the HWH so it made sense to do it while access was easy. Yeah, low-NOx heaters and other shit is mandated now so they cost way more than just a few years ago.
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06-10-2022, 09:00 AM #6766
I just priced out a 60 gallon indirect water heater and the equivalent unit alone is over 2 grand before install.
Pricing has changed dramatically.Live Free or Die
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06-10-2022, 09:15 AM #6767
OG non tankless are still reasonable. I think it's up $100 since I replaced mine a couple of years ago. I still think you're getting fucked.
Even the "Platinum" is under $1K.
$4K is a nice bike.Last edited by Touring_Sedan; 06-10-2022 at 10:11 AM.
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06-10-2022, 09:20 AM #6768Registered User
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06-10-2022, 09:34 AM #6769
Recently, I also received a $4k quote for an exterior gas tankless install at the house. I just took it as a sign of the times, trade workers are busy, supply chain fucked equipment availability and therefore prices, etc…
It was a want and not a need (removing a large tank in the laundry room to free up space). So I did not pull the trigger.
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06-10-2022, 09:38 AM #6770
With the current market, my assumption:
- No contractor is coming to your house to do a days work for less than $1k.
- No contractor is coming to your house to do a small project for less than $5k.
- No contractor is doing a remodel for less than $200k.
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06-10-2022, 09:46 AM #6771one of those sickos
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Those aren't tankless...
$4k sounds a little high, but DtM had much more work done than just replacing the WH (no redundant H needed).
Plumbers are expensive--far and away the nicest house on my street is owned by one. He also has every cliche NV motorized toy you can imagine. But, plumbers have to do plumbing for a living. I'll take GC-ing anytime.ride bikes, climb, ski, travel, cook, work to fund former, repeat.
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06-10-2022, 09:58 AM #6772
For what it's worth, I paid something near this - replacement with a tankless install (relocation to a different area of the house) but a complete rework of my existing system (water circuit & gas lines) and a bunch of plumbing improvements while we did it. It was literally 5 days of work.
Maybe wouldn't be so for everyone, but to me, it was worth every penny. Great result and improvement to my house.
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06-10-2022, 10:20 AM #6773
When I was a kid, our house had two giant Elm trees in a huge front yard, and of course the terra cotta main line ran under them and would get clogged with roots on a yearly basis and the line would then have to get rooted. One time the plumber wasn't able to get to the roots from the cleanout in the house and it was determined that a cleanout would have to be installed out in the yard to reach the offending blockage. The plumber digs a big hole about 5 feet deep and hops down there and starts beating a hole in the terra cotta pipe with a hammer and is instantly douched with shit smelling backed up sewer water, toilet paper included. I'm watching the whole time and think to myself "man, I am never going to be a plumber".
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06-10-2022, 10:28 AM #6774
Agree. I am just hoping shit doesn’t go south, (or I get a tiny, can’t find it leak), in the next year or 2 at my house.
Also, that Caillebotte floor scrapers painting is a favorite of mine, as I grew up near Chicago, and it’s at the Art Institute there.
Yes those dudes would be sore, but plenty of folks do indoor rowing, (isn’t there a thread here about it?), and their floors prolly could be refinished every couple years instead. #pelotonisstupidWell maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
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06-10-2022, 10:47 AM #6775
This was only $6K, (but they openly admitted they underestimated.) Also worth every penny.
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