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  1. #5926
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    When is snows, everything is better. Except in this thread, then is makes it worse.

    Honestly, this really is the best place to go on about how The Pass is such a cluster. Between the retarded car party, the shit plowing, that it is impossible to hitch a ride, the sprinter and flat brim scene is outta hand, all the skin tracks are post holled, it gets tracked faster than a junkies arm, it is basically REI West, the runs are about 3 turns long, and all the other things, it is just a total waste of time.

    If we keep pounding that drum load enough, maybe enough people will just move on the mountain biking and we can just get back to skiing and having fun.

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    Make fat bikes great again....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    When is snows, everything is better. Except in this thread, then is makes it worse.

    Honestly, this really is the best place to go on about how The Pass is such a cluster. Between the retarded car party, the shit plowing, that it is impossible to hitch a ride, the sprinter and flat brim scene is outta hand, all the skin tracks are post holled, it gets tracked faster than a junkies arm, it is basically REI West, the runs are about 3 turns long, and all the other things, it is just a total waste of time.

    If we keep pounding that drum load enough, maybe enough people will just move on the mountain biking and we can just get back to skiing and having fun.
    3 turns is right

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    Unfortunately, fat bikers on snow as a user group turned out the be so sensitive that poking fun at them is no longer fun. We've moved on:

    E skins

    Drone based avalanche response

    Nanotech comfort sensing base layers

    and Toyotas...always Toyotas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post

    Honestly, this really is the best place to go on about how The Pass is such a cluster. Between the retarded car party, the shit plowing, that it is impossible to hitch a ride, the sprinter and flat brim scene is outta hand, all the skin tracks are post holled, it gets tracked faster than a junkies arm, it is basically REI West, the runs are about 3 turns long, and all the other things, it is just a total waste of time.

    n.
    Well let's just be honest here "sprinter abd flat brim scene" classic solid poetry

    Having a shitty day this thread delivers and brightens it.

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    OFFICIAL I70 BITCH THREAD....

    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    It's almost like you have inside knowledge of the operations of the former ski area, are familiar with the objectives of the Cipriani's, understand the motivations of the Forest Service during that time and were involved in the initial organization of Friends of Berthoud Pass.

    On no wait...its more like you are talking out your ass.

    I'm not a mouthpiece of anyone and I could reminisce about the old days and get off my lawn with the best of them. None of that changes the fact that you are making shit up. I.
    Wow, what was it in my post that made you butt hurt? The FOBP dig?

    How would you know what my knowledge comes from?

    The fact that you simply dismiss my opinion as coming out of my ass is something that is coming out of your ass because you have no idea what my experience is.

    You donít tell us what experience your grand insight come from other than being a long time winter Park bro bra so it sounds like youíre talking entirely out your butt hurt ass.



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    It's not butt hurt. It's facts. I'll start.

    They tried to make a run of that but couldn’t make it profitable.
    The reason the cat skiing existed was that if the Cipriani's stopped operations entirely, they would be required to immediately spend the money to remove the lodge, remove the lifts etc. Sources: FS Clear Creek Ranger District, Director of Accounting for Granby Ranch (can't remember what is was called back then), two ski patrollers turned guide friends.

    Friends of Berthoud Pass could have bought the thing for nothing and done a co-op or saved the operation
    The Forest Service had no interest in transferring the special use permit to another ski area operator. The ski area assets were never offered for sale to the Friends of Berthoud Pass. The lodge had no value. Sources: Me. My name is on the 501(c)3 paperwork and I went to a lot of meetings.

    decided to be like, you know man, a public advisory service, that like puts on Avy classes bro
    FOBP transitioned into this role years after the the ski area ceased operations. The initial purpose was the preservation of backcountry recreation. Most people are completely unaware of how much forest service and other opposition there was to backcountry skiing. There are a handful of people not associated with FOBP, who made it what it is today. The alternatives were not pretty. Sources: again me, I spent a lot of time in meetings.

    I speak for myself, I help FOBP teach some avalanche awareness classes. You have beefs you want to address with FOBP, I'm sure someone with a title would be more than happy to answer.

    So that's me. I'm pretty passionate about the Berthoud Pass area as it has meant a lot to me over the years. You are right, I shouldn't have dismissed your opinion. I will way that it was stated like fact however.

    What I would really like to know is where the idea that the former owners of the ski area used rational economic analysis when deciding to cease operations came from. Honestly, maybe you are right. Maybe I have too much personal baggage to see what really happened. Understand however, that your opinion is not one shared by a majority of the passholders, employees, and skiers of the Fraser River Valley.

    I want to hear more from CLSurf on this.

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    OFFICIAL I70 BITCH THREAD....

    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    It's not butt hurt. It's facts. I'll start.

    The reason the cat skiing existed was the if the Cipriani's stop operations entirely, they would be required to immediately spend the money to remove the lodge, remove the lifts etc. Sources: FS Clear Creek Ranger District, Director of Accounting for Granby Ranch (can't remember what is was called back then), two ski patroller turn guide friends.

    The Forest Service had no interest in transferring the special use permit to another ski area operator. The ski area assets were never offered for sale to the Friends of Berthoud Pass. The lodge had no value. Sources: Me. My name is on the 501(c)3 paperwork and I went to a lot of meetings.

    FOBP transitioned into this role years after the the ski area ceased operations. The initial purpose was the preservation of backcountry recreation. Most people are completely unaware of how much forest service opposition there was to backcountry skiing. There are a handful of people not associated with FOBP, who made it what it is today. Sources: again me, I spent a lot of time in meetings.

    I speak for myself, I help FOBP teach some avalanche awareness classes. You have beefs you want to address with FOBP, I'm sure someone with a title would be more than happy to answer.

    So that's me. I'm pretty passionate about the Berthoud Pass area as it has meant a lot to me over the years. You are right, I shouldn't have dismissed your opinion. I will way that is was stated like fact however.

    What I would really like to know is where the idea that the former owners of the ski area used rational economic analysis when deciding to cease operations. Honestly, maybe you are right. Maybe I have too much personal baggage to see what really happened.

    I want to hear more from CLSurf on this.
    Well. I wonít detail everything but I was involved.

    Purchasing a property or asset does not require the seller to ďOfferĒ it to a seller. Itís generally up to the buyer to Offer to buy. Letís suffice it to say that I know that the incompetent Brazilians would have sold for nothing just to be out from under it. Hell they paid to take the old building down.

    You are right that the forest service management was against continuing the ski resort operation, and that would have taken some effort to secure. But I have no idea where your impression that BC skiing was under threat from the Forest Service. There would be no precedent for banning a non motorized use.

    Thatís why I feel FOBP missed the mark. They focused on something that was nothing. Kudos for providing the Avy education.

    I feel that we all missed an opportunity, but again cíest la vie




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    Quick update, I-70 is fuct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zartagen View Post
    Quick update, I-70 is fuct.
    Iím saying first of 4 closures in this storm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zartagen View Post
    Quick update, I-70 is fuct.
    A bunch of people about to miss their flights home...despite the fact its 50+ and sunny in Denver.

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    Roads are slippery as dog shit in the summer sun.

    No one saw this coming. ....... .

    Frisco and trailerthorne will soon turn into parking lots

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    Vail pass and Loveland pass:

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    I won’t detail everything but I was involved.
    Your choice, but hard to tell what people motivation and bias is without knowing there associations.

    Let’s suffice it to say that I know that the incompetent Brazilians would have sold for nothing just to be out from under it.
    No permit, no ski area. From memory, I can't think of any really interest from FOBP in operating a ski area in any form. I could be wrong about that.

    But I have no idea where your impression that BC skiing was under threat from the Forest Service. There would be no precedent for banning a non motorized use.
    I would say that there are plenty of precedents. Any time an exclusive SUP is given, public access can be limited. Sledding in non-motorized and it is banned because the user group couldn't self-regulate and the ambulance was spending too much time there.

    Really what I'm getting at is two things. One, the FS indicated that they wanted to transfer legal and financial responsibility to a Permit Holder. I will never know the nature or the seriousness of the some of the potential Permit Applicants. I have an idea that you may however. That said, many of them were not compatible with free public recreation.

    The second, and important challenge was the logistic of having the top lot and pull outs operated as trail heads and a defacto rest stop. The sticking points are answers to the trivia questions above. CDOT is under no obligation or IGA to plow any of it. They do it because it has been decided at the local level that it is what they want to do. Without CDOT plowing there would be no legal parking and access would be seriously limited. The other is that everytime you turn left on the pass anywhere other than the top lot, you are breaking the law by crossing the double yellow. This was a challenge the the ski area and the bus country. Because of the classification of 40 as a hazmat route and such, this would have been very difficult to change.

    Does anyone know the impetus for the warming hut and the operating funds needed to maintain it? I was out of the loop at that time.

    Anyways, sorry for saying your opinions came from your ass. Twenty years down the road, none of this matters much and the skiing is still great. If a new independent ski are in Colorado is viable, this would be a great place to do it.

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    ^^^ jeez. Slow the fuck down people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    Your choice, but hard to tell what people motivation and bias is without knowing there associations.

    No permit, no ski area. From memory, I can't think of any really interest from FOBP in operating a ski area in any form. I could be wrong about that.


    I would say that there are plenty of precedents. Any time an exclusive SUP is given, public access can be limited. Sledding in non-motorized and it is banned because the user group couldn't self-regulate and the ambulance was spending too much time there.

    Really what I'm getting at is two things. One, the FS indicated that they wanted to transfer legal and financial responsibility to a Permit Holder. I will never know the nature or the seriousness of the some of the potential Permit Applicants. I have an idea that you may however. That said, many of them were not compatible with free public recreation.

    The second, and important challenge was the logistic of having the top lot and pull outs operated as trail heads and a defacto rest stop. The sticking points are answers to the trivia questions above. CDOT is under no obligation or IGA to plow any of it. They do it because it has been decided at the local level that it is what they want to do. Without CDOT plowing there would be no legal parking and access would be seriously limited. The other is that everytime you turn left on the pass anywhere other than the top lot, you are breaking the law by crossing the double yellow. This was a challenge the the ski area and the bus country. Because of the classification of 40 as a hazmat route and such, this would have been very difficult to change.

    Does anyone know the impetus for the warming hut and the operating funds needed to maintain it? I was out of the loop at that time.

    Anyways, sorry for saying your opinions came from your ass. Twenty years down the road, none of this matters much and the skiing is still great. If a new independent ski are in Colorado is viable, this would be a great place to do it.
    I donít recall any real possible permit applicants being discussed. But I suppose only the FS May have seen those.

    If nothing else I bemoan the warming hut. Itís such a piece of shit - and certainly smells like shit. Such a classic, historical old building in the old lodge with a solid concrete foundations and so much space - tossed down for a small crappy little shit shack.


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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Still stinks of white-upper-middle-class privilege to me...

    Welcome to the internet, nOOb
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkd-rdr View Post
    Welcome to the internet, nOOb
    It's a fair cop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    Does anyone know the impetus for the warming hut and the operating funds needed to maintain it?
    I do not know the complete story behind the USFS decision to tear down the old lodge and construct the current warming hut. Before my time.

    I do know that 100% of the operating expenses for the warming hut are currently provided by USFS.

    Since we're already on the topic of bitching about FOBP. FYI the on-snow classes are this coming weekend (Sat 1/26 and Sun 1/27) which means the parking lot will be more of a clusterfuck than usual. Won't affect the skiing any, just the parking.
    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    All ye punterz! Leave thine stupid heavy skis in the past, or at least in the resort category, for the age of lightweight pussy sticks is upon us! Behold! Keep up with the randocommandos on their carbon blades of shortness! Break thine tibias into spiral splinters with pintech extravagance!

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    Back to I70. Xgames this weekend. Prepare yourselves for the worst on Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simple View Post
    Back to I70. Xgames this weekend. Prepare yourselves for the worst on Sunday.
    I thought this was the weather thread

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    So, plow parades...is it just me, or should one not be driving farther up than the trailing plow? I know they are only doing 20. But you are not passing shit, so settle.

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    Member when they left a 100' gap to shoot? Fun times.
    Saw so many people hesitate and just get fucking pummeled with rocks.

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    Just slow patrol and scrape a little while they are at it.
    And I'll say it again...wtf with this large material cdot has been using the past 2 seasons? The chunks picked up on tires and flung at me all the time sound pretty big. Just got chips in windshield...once they spread, I will be getting my 3rd windshield replaced in 1-1/2 years. Glad I bought the replacement insurance...they are taking a hit with me.

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    In response to hating on semis, At the very least, semis usually maintain decent following distance and stay in their lane which helps absorb the traffic-slinky clusterfuck that happens. That being said, I avoid i70 during 'peak times' so maybe I'm missing something

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