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    EB Dowd Junction had a vehicle that pretty much looked like it was balanced on its side. Happened a little earlier and had tape on it, so I guess they just got traffic moving and people safe and then maybe tonight go and recover it. It was impressive feat getting it into that position in the first place. Bravo. Should have taken a pic but I was, you know, driving.

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    OFFICIAL I70 BITCH THREAD....

    Delete. Posted in wrong thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiBall View Post
    EB Dowd Junction had a vehicle that pretty much looked like it was balanced on its side. Happened a little earlier and had tape on it, so I guess they just got traffic moving and people safe and then maybe tonight go and recover it. It was impressive feat getting it into that position in the first place. Bravo. Should have taken a pic but I was, you know, driving.
    Saw that, pretty amazing skills to pull that off. I think there was another car involved and the other party was not all safe, sadly. (If this is the same wreck).
    Also heard a semi went off 70 onto hwy 6 at Dowd earlier. Some guy at the bar showed me pix of a folded up semi. Icy area, with turns and an on ramp.
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Total cluster today. When is a resort other than Eldora going to open not on 70?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    Total cluster today. When is a resort other than Eldora going to open not on 70?
    Stagecoach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    Total cluster today. When is a resort other than Eldora going to open not on 70?


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    Never now that everything has become epic and ikonic. Seems like an impossible competition. I think we went from like 300 resorts in the 80s to around 30 today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    Total cluster today. When is a resort other than Eldora going to open not on 70?


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    They would kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toastybroski View Post
    Never now that everything has become epic and ikonic. Seems like an impossible competition. I think we went from like 300 resorts in the 80s to around 30 today.
    Is it though? I’m thinking a resort that limited the number of season passes they sold (and thus at a significant premium) and billed themselves as exclusive and for the more hard core skier (:eyeroll) could at least survive and possibly even thrive. I have no idea at what the magic numbers are, but it’s got to be possible with a few million of revenue annually, which I don’t think would be that hard to achieve.

    If Berthoud was a resort today and still private it would absolutely crush it. It didn’t survive 20 years ago because the front range population couldn’t support it. But today? No problem.
    go upside down.

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    Skied half day at breck today, 2 hours up this morning, and 1.5 hours back, traffic was stopped west bound at 1pm from Georgetown to Idaho Springs, that was a first for me, good snow today

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    If Berthoud was a resort today and still private it would absolutely crush it. It didn’t survive 20 years ago because the front range population couldn’t support it. But today? No problem.
    That is false

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkd-rdr View Post
    Saw that, pretty amazing skills to pull that off. I think there was another car involved and the other party was not all safe, sadly. (If this is the same wreck).
    Also heard a semi went off 70 onto hwy 6 at Dowd earlier. Some guy at the bar showed me pix of a folded up semi. Icy area, with turns and an on ramp.
    Must have missed that one among the thousand EC Alerts I got yesterday. Sucks to hear though. No real good options when Dowd gets booger'd.

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    Let me know when y'all find a place to put a resort within 2 hours of Denver that's not on I-70 and that has a range of terrain from green to black with a east to north aspect and gets consistent snowfall and not too much wind and isn't wilderness. Good luck.
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    All ye punterz! Leave thine stupid heavy skis in the past, or at least in the resort category, for the age of lightweight pussy sticks is upon us! Behold! Keep up with the randocommandos on their carbon blades of shortness! Break thine tibias into spiral splinters with pintech extravagance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    Let me know when y'all find a place to put a resort within 2 hours of Denver that's not on I-70 and that has a range of terrain from green to black with a east to north aspect and gets consistent snowfall and not too much wind and isn't wilderness. Good luck.
    2 hrs? What is your airline preference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonMexico View Post
    If Berthoud was a resort today and still private it would absolutely crush it. It didn’t survive 20 years ago because the front range population couldn’t support it. But today? No problem.
    While I don't disagree with the sentiment that Berthoud today could be a very viable resort today, it was not a lack of population that led to it's demise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefrush View Post
    While I don't disagree with the sentiment that Berthoud today could be a very viable resort today, it was not a lack of population that led to it's demise.

    https://www.skyhinews.com/shred/a-go...pass-ski-area/
    This article discusses the history of Berthoud, it has nothing to say about why Berthoud actually closed as a ski area.

    There is one culprit for the demise of Berthoud ski area and her name is Marise Cipriani. I'll connect the dots for you.

    She comes from money her father, Omar Fontana, built through the Transbrasil airline. She married Antonio Celso Cipriani a lawyer for the airline who ultimately became the CEO at its demise and was formally charged with the corruption and fraud that plagued the airline. Using her money she bought Silver Creek ski area in 1995 and Berthoud Pass in 1999. Her management is the reason Berthoud pass closed in 2001, she closed it because she didn't want to operate the resort at a loss because she was busy developing Sol Vista's condos at that time. Given her background in marketing, nepotism and corruption it isn't surprising.



    https://www.hotel-online.com/archive/archive-1308 - Here is a piece that fluffs her reputation up, likely to help entice developers to invest in her ambitions at the time. Note the date, June 3rd 2001 with no mention of the closure of Berthoud pass 9 days later.
    http://duqueestrada.adv.br/2009/05/0...lor-economico/ - Translate from Portuguese, here are the formal charges in 2009 for her Husband. He was the CEO at the end of Transbrasil and highly involved in the graft and fraud from the company, giving them millions to swiss bank accounts.
    https://snowboarding.transworld.net/...ass-ski-area/- Silver Creek purchases Berthoud. Note here "“From a business standpoint, the purchase of Berthoud Pass provides an opportunity to introduce some of our summer products, like our rafting company, marina, horseback riding outfitters/rendezvous camp, and our golf course opening in the summer of 2000,”"
    https://www.skimag.com/gear/berthoud-shifts-gears - Here is an article about the change in 2001 to snowcat operations, which does cite tight margins on their revenue.
    http://cyberwest.com/berthoud_pass_2001/ - Here is a better history of the resort, detailing the sale to Cipriani for $2 million. There are valid issues here about the ticket price increases among other resorts.
    https://www.denverpost.com/2005/06/1...dge-torn-down/ - The closure of Berthoud from Denver Post. "“It was a very viable operation when we had it, and it could have been again,” Garst said. “This is a tragedy.”" Ike Garst was a previous owner of Berthoud pass, and just as his states it could have been a very viable operation.
    https://theknow.denverpost.com/2017/...e-2017/166515/ http://www.cpr.org/news/story/granby...ng-up-for-sale - She is now selling Granby Ranch.

    Berthoud pass had logistical challenges surrounding the operation of a ski area. The high costs of sewage treatment at the lodge and the limited area for development at the summit being the primary two. That being said, Berthoud pass closed because management of Silver Creek/Sol Vista/Granby Ranch viewed it at a segment of their business that would financially weigh them down, because at the time they were focused on spending millions in development at Granby Ranch for golf, horse back riding, and real estate. That is not to say that Berthoud pass was operating at a loss, it was their focus on other projects that led them to ignore it as a ski area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    Let me know when y'all find a place to put a resort within 2 hours of Denver that's not on I-70 and that has a range of terrain from green to black with a east to north aspect and gets consistent snowfall and not too much wind and isn't wilderness. Good luck.
    Wilderness Schmilderness I say!! If we had our shit together there would be connected skiing all the way between St. Mary's, WPMJ, Eldora and my newly proposed 30 lift behemoth resort at the East Portal with a gondola to the summit. This could be later expanded with base areas in Allenspark and Granby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CLsurf View Post
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    Thanks for the detailed history lesson!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thefrush View Post
    Thanks for the detailed history lesson!
    TY not trying to call you out just felt that article missed some key details.

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    CL knows the story!

    I will just standing where the bottom of the west side lift was hanging to my wife thinking about what the scene would have been this weekend had the ski area been open. Shit used to get absolutely sent under the chair on a big day...the shelf, tower 3, gaffneys, rush, the diving board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    CL knows the story!

    I will just standing where the bottom of the west side lift was hanging to my wife thinking about what the scene would have been this weekend had the ski area been open. Shit used to get absolutely sent under the chair on a big day...the shelf, tower 3, gaffneys, rush, the diving board.
    I had some pretty badass days at Berthoud when there were lifts and avalanche control. Place was super fun.

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    There was the interim years when they had the snowcat operation too. They tried to make a run of that but couldn’t make it profitable. Some of the best days I remember were when the cat operation would drag the clients around and bomb stuff but BC skiers were free to ski whatever. The clients stacked tracks and only a handful of BC skiers were there many days. We mostly did our own thing but a few times they’d Avy control stuff and we’d piggy back after they’d moved on. Skullbite in fAceshot city is memorable.

    But they they decided to close that down. Friends of Berthoud Pass could have bought the thing for nothing and done a co-op or saved the operation but instead they decided to be like, you know man, a public advisory service, that like puts on Avy classes bro. In fact I think the company paid a couple hundred Gs to rip out that grand old lodge.

    But c’est la vie


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    OFFICIAL I70 BITCH THREAD....

    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    Let me know when y'all find a place to put a resort within 2 hours of Denver that's not on I-70 and that has a range of terrain from green to black with a east to north aspect and gets consistent snowfall and not too much wind and isn't wilderness. Good luck.
    Geneva Basin? Expand up to Squaretop?
    Something off Cameron Pass?
    Rollins Pass area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jong Lafitte View Post
    Wilderness Schmilderness I say!! If we had our shit together there would be connected skiing all the way between St. Mary's, WPMJ, Eldora and my newly proposed 30 lift behemoth resort at the East Portal with a gondola to the summit. This could be later expanded with base areas in Allenspark and Granby.
    Not enough consistent snowpack to make this viable on the east side of the divide. And Eldo would have to expand their parking.

    I grew up in AP. In the 80s & 90s we did get enough snow and skied from the backdoor by Thanksgiving. But low-tide winters were one of the factors that shut HV down in the Park, along with National Park Dept stance towards a commercial ski operation within its boundaries.

    Those areas used to be quiet and deep for the few dedicated locals. Now the front range hoards are so bad you can’t even park at the trailheads during the week sometimes. Like fucking California!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    Let me know when y'all find a place to put a resort within 2 hours of Denver that's not on I-70 and that has a range of terrain from green to black with a east to north aspect and gets consistent snowfall and not too much wind and isn't wilderness. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    There was the interim years when they had the snowcat operation too. They tried to make a run of that but couldn’t make it profitable. Some of the best days I remember were when the cat operation would drag the clients around and bomb stuff but BC skiers were free to ski whatever. The clients stacked tracks and only a handful of BC skiers were there many days. We mostly did our own thing but a few times they’d Avy control stuff and we’d piggy back after they’d moved on. Skullbite in fAceshot city is memorable.
    "Berthoud Powder Guides"

    buncha Berthoud patrollers acting as guides... great place to take an avalanche course!
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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