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  1. #6326
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    Darker sand does help.

    Mag chloride IS salt

    It will only melt ice above about 16* or so. There are other products that will work in lower temps... usually mag with other products in it like corn biproduct if some sort


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    formerly an ambassador for a few others, but the ski industry is... interesting.
    Fukt: a very small amount of snow.

  2. #6327
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkd-rdr View Post
    Split a Pali chair today with a dude from Virginia. Said he rented an F150 from the airport. No 4WD.
    I didn't even know that existed
    These people are out there. I think I still trust them more than the FLA plates which I see a surprising number of. Just barely though.

  3. #6328
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    I call them "red plate specials" for a reason.

    It actually is helpful in that they are identifiable.

  4. #6329
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    Westbound on Sunday mornings

    Understanding that unforseen issues could pop up (idiots, snowfall...) how is traffic heading westbound from Golden to Copper on Sunday mornings? I had planned to drive to Frisco Saturday night but may be stopping in Golden saturday evening and heading to Copper Sunday morning.

    Thanks

  5. #6330
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelliefj40 View Post
    Understanding that unforseen issues could pop up (idiots, snowfall...) how is traffic heading westbound from Golden to Copper on Sunday mornings? I had planned to drive to Frisco Saturday night but may be stopping in Golden saturday evening and heading to Copper Sunday morning.

    Thanks
    shoot. Better than Saturday morning, generally speaking, but you could get hosed. Leave early. Or leave late.

  6. #6331
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    Thanks! Generally speaking, of course, would leaving at 6:30 be early enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    shoot. Better than Saturday morning, generally speaking, but you could get hosed. Leave early. Or leave late.

  7. #6332
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelliefj40 View Post
    Thanks! Generally speaking, of course, would leaving at 6:30 be early enough?
    6:30 if no snow is coming. 6:00 is good time to be safe.

  8. #6333
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    thank you both for your help!

  9. #6334
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    I70 EB closed just passed Eagle. Was meeting some friends at BC, but they are stuck on the frontage road.
    Hey, at least it'll be empty without all the west slopers gapin it up
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

  10. #6335
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    Well that didn’t take long. Westbound already closed at the tunnel.

  11. #6336
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffmedic84 View Post
    Well that didn’t take long. Westbound already closed at the tunnel.
    Just in time for the weekend shitshow commute. Will probably backup from the tunnel to Gennesee Hill soon.

  12. #6337
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    Westbound was open back up by 3:00pm. Not that it has really helped much...

  13. #6338
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    EB closed as of a little bit ago at Silverthorne.

    Then there is this:
    https://www.coloradopolitics.com/new...fdf7169a2.html
    Colorado lawmakers hope winter-driving bill gains traction

  14. #6339
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    ^^^ that would be great but it still comes down to enforcement. Half the vehicles driving during a period of “traction law” right now don’t have the right equipment and don’t care apparently.

  15. #6340
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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    ^^^ that would be great but it still comes down to enforcement. Half the vehicles driving during a period of “traction law” right now don’t have the right equipment and don’t care apparently.
    Lotta highway to cover with roving enforcement...
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

  16. #6341
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiBall View Post
    EB closed as of a little bit ago at Silverthorne.

    Then there is this:
    https://www.coloradopolitics.com/new...fdf7169a2.html
    Colorado lawmakers hope winter-driving bill gains traction
    Sounds good to me!

  17. #6342
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    From today.

    Yes that's 7 sister in the background.

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  18. #6343
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    Joel Gratz hype train is approaching full speed on this storm. Sunday night drive back to Denver is gonna be dope.

  19. #6344
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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    From today.

    Yes that's 7 sister in the background.

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    One time I ended up stopped for an 1.5 hours on a weekday mid-day. It was enough local traffic that everyone pulled left or right eurostyle to keep a center lane open for tow trucks and cops and it even held for 20-30 minutes before assholes decided to clog it up into a 3 lane cluster. Eventually, after seeing no more emergency vehicles and seeing that there was no traffic moving from the I70 cams up the hill, I called work and said I wouldn't make it in, then backed down the I70 shoulder for 1/2 a mile to a turn around and was home in 20 minutes. Had I not, I would have sat there not moving for another 2.5+ hours (I was just barely past the Copper exit and there multiple jack knifes up Vail Pass, no injuries).

    Traffic was super light and almost no cars were going the other way. It took probably an hour for traffic to have backed up to where I got stopped, yet CSP didn't close the highway at Copper until 30 minutes after I got stopped just 3/4mi past Copper! CSP could have easily closed the highway earlier and turned people around in an organized manner, but they didn't. They let 6mi of cars sit bumper to bumper on the highway motionless for over 4 hours with snow building up (they couldn't plow with stopped traffic). They think it is fine to have people sit in their cars on the highway for hours on end when it is totally unnecessary to do so.

    So you know what CSP? Fuck you. You could prevent most of that shit by acting sensibly. But at least I'm not a puss and backed down the shoulder to more easily clear out of the way if an emergency vehicle appears.
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

  20. #6345
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    Another reason to always make sure you have a full tank of gas before getting on the highway. That and it adds much needed weight for traction.

  21. #6346
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    Lotta highway to cover with roving enforcement...
    CalTrans seems to have figured it out on I80.

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  23. #6348
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    General philosophy of, you aren't stuck in traffic, you are traffic.

    Aspen doesn't do the numbers game.. for better and worse, but yeah, feels busier.

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    Fukt: a very small amount of snow.

  24. #6349
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    I often listen to the scanner for entertainment purposes during storms. The mutual lack of coordination and even basic information sharing between CSP and CDOT is comical. They themselves even make jokes about it with dispatch.

  25. #6350
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    Looks like I’m in the honey-hole for this storm! Steamboat is in the bullseye.
    crab in my shoe mouth

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