ATK raider 14 DIN binding

[thefortrees]

Wow, I’m intrigued and now regretting going with the zed on my lighter setup and ion lt on my pow skis...

[CaliBrit]

Comments on brake width? Would the 108mm fit a 112mm ski? Or do I need the 120mm.

[stuntmanbo]

It fits a katana vw with minimal bending

[CaliBrit]

It fits a katana vw with minimal bending

That’s the ski

[CaliBrit]

More brake input please. Can anyone comment on the fiddle factor? Transitions with gloves on doable?

[CaliBrit]

Just watched some videos. Looks slick. Just tipped me in favor of these vs plasticy tectons.

[galibier_numero_un]

Just watched some videos. Looks slick. Just tipped me in favor of these vs plasticy tectons.

I think the decision between the two boils down to whether or not they'll see a significant # of days inbounds where the smoothness of Vipecs/Tectons might prevail.

I can see applications for both.

... Thom

[CaliBrit]

I think the decision between the two boils down to whether or not they'll see a significant # of days inbounds where the smoothness of Vipecs/Tectons might prevail.

I can see applications for both.

... Thom

Was sold on the tectons until I read through the thread. Seems like a bit of a shit show. Brakes sizes, icing, plastic braking, boots denting. I’ll wait for someone else to do an elastic toe. I’ll try atk and it’s bomber reputation. We shall see!

[galibier_numero_un]

Was sold on the tectons until I read through the thread. Seems like a bit of a shit show. Brakes sizes, icing, plastic braking, boots denting. I’ll wait for someone else to do an elastic toe. I’ll try atk and it’s bomber reputation. We shall see!

The big one for me is the boot denting which seems to have been addressed with the reshaped bumper.

I haven't experienced icing with my Vipec Blacks, but I ski in a Colorado Snowpack.

Plastic breaking? That's a new one to me.

Brake sizes ... can't disagree with that.

Having said that, I'm loving my Helio 200s (for pure touring), which gives me serious lust for an R12.

... Thom

[kathleenturneroverdrive]

More brake input please. Can anyone comment on the fiddle factor? Transitions with gloves on doable?

On the FR14? It's easy. I skin in very thin nordic gloves or leather Kinco's if it's cold. Kinco's make it a bit harder to push the lever, but not a big deal. Also I've maybe done 50 or more transitions and only had one lap where icing was an issue under the brake. That was just due to heavy snowfall + deep pow and it took a few extra seconds to clear the ice out. It wasn't a big deal.

[CaliBrit]

On the FR14? It's easy. I skin in very thin nordic gloves or leather Kinco's if it's cold. Kinco's make it a bit harder to push the lever, but not a big deal. Also I've maybe done 50 or more transitions and only had one lap where icing was an issue under the brake. That was just due to heavy snowfall + deep pow and it took a few extra seconds to clear the ice out. It wasn't a big deal.

Brilliant thanks. I’ll pull the trigger.

[macon]

Idk how much it matters to anyone, but here’s the FR14s with spacer and without brakes.

Was super easy to remove brakes and just required a small torx bit (can’t remember what size). 3 screws per brake - you can only remove them when the brakes are in the stowed position otherwise it’s hard to reach the middle screw.

Careful not to lose that little spring for the button.







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[rod9301]

Idk how much it matters to anyone, but here’s the FR14s with spacer and without brakes.

Was super easy to remove brakes and just required a small torx bit (can’t remember what size). 3 screws per brake - you can only remove them when the brakes are in the stowed position otherwise it’s hard to reach the middle screw.

Careful not to lose that little spring for the button.







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What's the spring for?

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[kathleenturneroverdrive]

That mechanism holds the brake up while skinning

[rod9301]

That mechanism holds the brake up while skinning

Ok, thanks, i thought was done kind of elasticity help

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[nickel]

Idk how much it matters to anyone, but here’s the FR14s with spacer and without brakes.

Was super easy to remove brakes and just required a small torx bit (can’t remember what size). 3 screws per brake - you can only remove them when the brakes are in the stowed position otherwise it’s hard to reach the middle screw.

Careful not to lose that little spring for the button.







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I could be off base but that looks like it would quickly pack full of snow and negate the weight savings, at least with the snow I often tour in.

[galibier_numero_un]

Idk how much it matters to anyone, but here’s the FR14s with spacer and without brakes.

Was super easy to remove brakes and just required a small torx bit (can’t remember what size). 3 screws per brake - you can only remove them when the brakes are in the stowed position otherwise it’s hard to reach the middle screw.

Careful not to lose that little spring for the button.

Thanks for photographing. Can one screw on the "stomp pad" portion of the brake to cover up the spring/latch assembly, or do we have a small fabrication task to create a cover plate?

Thom

[macon]

I could be off base but that looks like it would quickly pack full of snow and negate the weight savings, at least with the snow I often tour in.

Potentially. I'll report back if I find that to be the case. I am more interested in skiing with a leash than I am skiing brakeless. Figured I'd take off the brakes and if it sucks I'll put them back on.

Cheers!

Thanks for photographing. Can one screw on the "stomp pad" portion of the brake to cover up the spring/latch assembly, or do we have a small fabrication task to create a cover plate?

Thom

great question, you can actually remove the spring and latch assembly with the brake as well. Very easy, they drop right out ...and the spring has a tendency to shoot out. I just photographed it like this so I'd remember how to reassemble when/if I reinstall.

[LSeed]

Had a few more days on my set-up, no more pre releases which is good, Without breaks it does fill up with a bit of snow but works its way out. It's more not having the brakes to muck about with in transitions etc for me. Wicked binding hopefully this pandemic fucks right off so I can feel good about sending it again, meh, probably next year.

[LSeed]

So Snuck out for a few more days on it. No more Pre-release but broke the freeride spacer. Might be better call to run them w/breaks so it doesn't get snow bunked up in there. Damn they ski nice though.

[galibier_numero_un]

So Snuck out for a few more days on it. No more Pre-release but broke the freeride spacer. Might be better call to run them w/breaks so it doesn't get snow bunked up in there. Damn they ski nice though.

Sounds like a mini-project to make a brake cavity cover (if you want to run brakeless)?

... Thom

[LSeed]

^^ that would be a good idea, it was just one of the sliders came off. didn't notice till i was skinning up for another lap. still skied fine 2 debating either that or just running San's pads and seeing if I even notice a difference. Binding skis really nice though, was railing steep corn turns and felt like I was on an alpine rig.

[LSeed]

Well both toe pieces on mine now have issues already which is not good. Just emailed Telemark pyreenes where i bought them about sorting out warranty.

Overall not massively impressed with the new toe piece, The binding skis good but I have had a few easy pre-releases that I think were related to the Toe piece failing interested to hear what other people notice as most of the good press on this binding was with the OG Toe piece. Hopefully they sort it out nice with warranty for me.

Summer Ski stoke for attention. Glad the toe piece didn't rip on me in the middle of this line or it would be a different article.

[mall walker]

burly, what/where is that?

[LSeed]

Mt Harrison N Couloir in the Canadian Rockies.