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  1. #276
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    I have the 2nd gen Vipecs, lots of days on ATK Raider 14s and Speed Radicals and a few days on Plum heels.

    Its relatively hard to compare retention, since each fall or crash is so unique and they don't happen very often.

    However, I've had Radicals and ATKs fail to release laterally before (one causing an injury). I've had similar crashes on the Vipecs and have had proper lateral release. I need to crank the toe a little higher, since I always pick release values through experimentation and the Vipecs are new to me. Had a couple toe prereleases. One off a large cliff with a rough landing (may have been legit?), and another on a low speed too-narrow exit ravine where the ski tip got caught up. The Vipec skis much better on firm snow - noticeably more damp and connected.

    Speed Radical toes have much lower clamping force than ATK and are more susceptible to toe prerelease.

    The Speed Radical 10 heel retention isn't enough for hucks. Not sure if a Plum 12 is good enough for hucks (different skis). The Vipec 12 is good enough though (so far - need more time hitting the big stuff), as is the ATK 12. I previously ran Dukes at 13 and STHs at 12.

    Hope that helps.



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  2. #277
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    Sooo..... The toe doesn't quite lock out but apparently the system is pretty good with elasticity, question is, if I crank them to 12 and pull the toe lever up will these still be good to go in the no-fall zone? Thinking about mounting to dynastar xxls, which I thought dynafits would be pretty shakey. Maybe these would ski better?

  3. #278
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    Do the new black vipecs have the same hole pattern as the whites and do they usually come with a template?

  4. #279
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwwllw View Post
    Do the new black vipecs have the same hole pattern as the whites and do they usually come with a template?
    Pretty sure you have to request a template
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  5. #280
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    Yeah my white's didn't come with a template. The one from wildsnow is good.

  6. #281
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorCalNomad View Post
    Yeah my white's didn't come with a template. The one from wildsnow is good.
    Black Diamond (Fritschi) has an excellent one.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    After the first three seconds, Corbet's is really pretty average.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Malcolm View Post
    I mean, it's not your fault. They say talent skips a generation.
    But hey, I'm sure your kids will be sharp as tacks.

  7. #282
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwwllw View Post
    Do the new black vipecs have the same hole pattern as the whites and do they usually come with a template?
    I used the same jig to mount the black ones as i did with the white ones.
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  8. #283
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    Got my bindings mounted up. Everything seemed to go well. I'm fairly new to tech bindings, just one pair of dynafits prior to these. The heels seem excessively difficult to step into. I have to stomp hard to get clicked in. With my feet out of the boots, clicking in by hand requires the boot heel to be slammed down with what seems to be too much force. My rv is set at 10. At the lowest value I can step in with what seems "normal" force. Any help or trouble shooting advice would be much appreciated. What the hell did I screw up?

  9. #284
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    It might be that your toes are mounted at a slight enough angle that the heel pins end up "off center" in relation to your boot so that they drag on the boot heel fitting.

  10. #285
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    Thanks for the reply. I thought about that. To my eyes the alignment looks fine... They were drilled with a jig. Is there an easy way to tell?

  11. #286
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    If you can't see it then that's probably not it. I slightly bunged one of my mounts and depending on which ski is on which foot there is a misalignment like I described.

  12. #287
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    Setting up my vipecs tonight for my new boots made me think of something else that might make it hard depending on manufacturing tolerances.

    The very front of your pins, the circle bit of the cylinder, might be dragging on the rubber of the outsole. So if the rubber is glued on where it's not entirely flush with the plastic of the boot where the tech fitting slides in you might get extra drag.

    Since dynafits (and G3's?) need the "tech gap" it probably wouldn't get noticed there.

  13. #288
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    Thanks for the reply. I've looked at that and that's not the issue. I took them to a couple of shops with some guys who know tech bindings well and have decent exposure to vipecs. They saw nothing wrong and confirmed that they'd never seen a set that stiff. So far this is baffling everyone. I was hoping to take them in and to be imbarassed by a stupid mistake, but everything checks out.

  14. #289
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwwllw View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I've looked at that and that's not the issue. I took them to a couple of shops with some guys who know tech bindings well and have decent exposure to vipecs. They saw nothing wrong and confirmed that they'd never seen a set that stiff. So far this is baffling everyone. I was hoping to take them in and to be imbarassed by a stupid mistake, but everything checks out.
    Mine are the same. Takes some force to get into. I wouldnt be surprised if a pin breaks at some point. I have seen some people push them into touring mode then reach down and pull the lever up to push the pins into the boot. Or you could also try putting the heel in first (push the boot into the pins, not slamming the boot down if you know what i mean) then step down into the toe piece.

    Its likely the heel pins were bent too far. Maybe next years versions will be "the ones"....they also need to address the issue of the lifters on the heel piece which come off from time to time.
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  15. #290
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiley View Post
    I used the same jig to mount the black ones as i did with the white ones.
    Just got a test pair from BD of the black ones. Took my white ones off and the black ones just dropped into the pre-existing holes. Epoxied and done.

    Now available in Noram. Just one ski on them so no meaningful impressions other than that they're a hell of a lot easier to get into. Only took three versions but finally done Fritschi! Now you can depress the toe lever and it stays down

    Some measurements.

    Dynafit toe inserts spacing (measured on Vulcan) 65mm

    Binding opening black Fritschi (stays open without needing pole to hold the toe lever down) - 70 mm

    Binding opening white Fritschi 2013-4; 2014 - 5 (does not stays open unless you have pole to hold the toe lever down) without toe lever being pressed down - 63mm

    Binding opening white Fritschi 2013-4; 2014 - 5 (with toe lever pressed down) -68mm

    Binding opening Dynafit Comfort - 68mm

  16. #291
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    I was talking with someone the other day who likened the Vipec's brakes to the Dynafit Vertical era. IOW, not very confidence inspiring. Does anyone have either positive or negative experiences regarding this?

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  17. #292
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    Not at all. Vipec brakes are long and engage quickly. Ditto Kingpin Beast Radical 2.0 Ion. Seems like new bindings learned from the old

  18. #293
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    The only brake issue I've noticed is that the "120mm" brakes don't clear my 112mm skis and I had to bend the arms out to get them wide enough to engage. Really nice binding otherwise.
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  19. #294
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeLau View Post
    Not at all. Vipec brakes are long and engage quickly. Ditto Kingpin Beast Radical 2.0 Ion. Seems like new bindings learned from the old
    Thanks, Lee. Not knowing the guy, I'll treat him as an outlier.

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  20. #295
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bean View Post
    The only brake issue I've noticed is that the "120mm" brakes don't clear my 112mm skis and I had to bend the arms out to get them wide enough to engage. Really nice binding otherwise.
    Yeah the 120's barely fit my Amperages (115 waist) with a +1cm mount

  21. #296
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorCalNomad View Post
    Yeah the 120's barely fit my Amperages (115 waist) with a +1cm mount
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  22. #297
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    i have about 15 days on the black edition now and also think they are MUCH better than previous generations.
    i put a lot of days on older vipecs even though i did not like them, but the black ones are pretty good now i would say. they really adressed the issues of the white ones (stepping in, releasing while skinning, heel piece icing up).
    they ski pretty good (no difference to the earlier models here though), are light and over all work well. stepping into them still isnt as good as with other bindings, but its ok now (especially if the skis are on an flat surface). no releases while skinning anymore.
    i still set my din at 12 (10 on other bindings) because they release rather easily (probably due to little friction?), kinda happy with them overall.

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    Any prerelease while skiing?

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    cant remember any. but i generally dont ski hard and dont usually crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    Any prerelease while skiing?
    Just like freak none also. Even used them on groomers

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