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  1. #551
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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    You inspired me to measure mine. I measured the o.d. at the point in the photo where the dimension line points to the i.d. The spacing for one I prefer is 1.680". The looser one is 1.600".

    It seems as if there's a slight bit of metal fatigue because after bending the "loose" one outward to 1.680 and re-installing it, it still felt a bit loose. Upon removal and re-measuring, I noted that it "relaxed" back to 1.620". I just bent it to 1.740", re-installed, and it didn't change much.

    It then dawned on me that this is the binding from which I removed a bit of material from the insert (per Lindahl's post). I just swapped the left/right binding inserts and the stiffness/looseness stayed with the brake arms.

    I'm definitely at the point of splitting hairs but the exercise was worthwhile, and I'm now 100% comfortable with the brakes. The slight difference between the two is inconsequential in my estimation.

    I think it was in the Tecton thread where I mentioned that any stickiness folks are experiencing shouldn't matter in real-life application. What I mean by this is (if you have a sticky brake) stand the ski with the tail on the floor while the brake is at it's halfway/sticking point. Give the ski a light wack with the palm of your hand. This amount of vibration should easily free the brake, and it's a lot less vibration than a ski would exhibit if you released from it.

    ... Thom
    Depends on snow conditions, no? Also when stepping out of the binding the brake might not spring out and allow the ski to take off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    Depends on snow conditions, no? Also when stepping out of the binding the brake might not spring out and allow the ski to take off.
    Of course, you're right ... lots of variables, including icing. They sure are a big step up from Dynafit brake performance (at least TLT/Vertical gens), but not yet perfect.

    Honestly, I hadn't given consideration to stepping in, 'coz I remove my skis, flip into downhill mode & inspect them, 'coz I'm a bit of a klutz as far as ripping skins without removing skis is concerned ;-)

    ... Thom
    Last edited by galibier_numero_un; 06-08-2017 at 08:15 PM.
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    So after reading every thread on all the big tech bindings, I have ended up with the opinion that it is either the Vipec or the kingpin which is the go to for more aggressive riding and drops.

    Does anyone have experience on both?
    I have heard quite a few reports of the kingpin breaking, but the vipec not so much.

    Lindahl do you still enjoy your pair? Anyone else want to chime in?

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    And of course, there's also the opportunity for you to be a paying beta tester for next year's Tecton ;-)

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    Fritschi Vipec review thread

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_pretzel View Post
    So after reading every thread on all the big tech bindings, I have ended up with the opinion that it is either the Vipec or the kingpin which is the go to for more aggressive riding and drops.

    Does anyone have experience on both?
    I have heard quite a few reports of the kingpin breaking, but the vipec not so much.

    Lindahl do you still enjoy your pair? Anyone else want to chime in?
    Kingpin for firm snow. Vipec for soft snow. Lightweight (350g max) trumps it all for medium to long tours and meadow skipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    Kingpin for firm snow. Vipec for soft snow.
    That's funny - I came to the opposite conclusion. Vipec for firm snow, due to its toe dampening. Kingpin for soft snow because toe vibration doesn't matter as much in pow-pow. But I'm guessing L's reasoning has to do with the release functionality.

    Having used my KPs about 40 days, and my Vipecs about 10, I think the KPs are WAY more user friendly and less fiddly. The KP is pretty stupid-proof. I'll prob sell my Vipec (blacks) and replace with a superlight option for big days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    Kingpin for firm snow. Vipec for soft snow. Lightweight (350g max) trumps it all for medium to long tours and meadow skipping.
    Would you care to elaborate?
    Because of release safety of the vipec in deep snow?
    And power transfer of the kingpin on firm snow? Is the release safety not as critical on firm snow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_pretzel View Post
    Would you care to elaborate?
    Because of release safety of the vipec in deep snow?
    And power transfer of the kingpin on firm snow? Is the release safety not as critical on firm snow?
    Yes to all of this. I don't really snag the tips of my skis (or fall at all actually) in firm snow in the BC, so power transfer is more important to me than lateral release at the toe.

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    ugh I am in full on buying mode right now.

    2017 Fritschi Vipec TUV w/ 108 mm brakes $420

    one pair left, thought I would pass along the deal

    http://alpineoptions.com/31197/2017-...tified-108-mm/

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    The vipec is just as damp as any alpine bindings even on solid refrozen spring snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daught View Post
    The vipec is just as damp as any alpine bindings even on solid refrozen spring snow.
    I'm really interested in this due to some knee arthritis. My knees hurt after skiing Dynafits. I would like a lightweight touring option that doesn't bug them out.

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    Question... thinking of keeping a set of Vipecs so I could swap out the heel with Tectons for a super long tour or a tour with a ton of rolling terrain. Difference between 2014/15 Vipec heel and the 2016/17 Vipec heel?
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    My recollection is that some folks reported icing in certain conditions with the first year's heel.

    IIRC, the complete Tecton vs. Vipec is about 100g difference per pair.

    ... Thom
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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    My recollection is that some folks reported icing in certain conditions with the first year's heel.

    IIRC, the complete Tecton vs. Vipec is about 100g difference per pair.

    ... Thom
    Never had icing problems. When I measured it was more than 100g. I'll remeasure tomorrow
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    Question... thinking of keeping a set of Vipecs so I could swap out the heel with Tectons for a super long tour or a tour with a ton of rolling terrain. Difference between 2014/15 Vipec heel and the 2016/17 Vipec heel?
    You would have to remount the heel plate. The Tecton and Vipec have the same hole pattern but different heel plates, and a Tecton heel won't slide on a Vipec plate. Didn't try the other way around but I imagine it is not compatible.

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    Oh never mind then I am not swapping plates. I'll look closely
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    My recollection is that some folks reported icing in certain conditions with the first year's heel.

    IIRC, the complete Tecton vs. Vipec is about 100g difference per pair.

    ... Thom
    My '17 Vipec is 1050g for the pair (Lou says it should be 1224g).
    My '18 Tecton is 1170g for the pair (Lou says it should be 1100g).
    The '18 Vipec is supposed to 1000g according to Lou

    Something is wonky here. I am sure my +-1g Escali P115C scale isn't measuring crazy pants enough to make the '17 Vipec 10% lighter than the Tecton if it is supposed to be 5% heavier. I measured with NO brakes but did include the plastic heel rest.

    My weights for the '17 Vipec match @Lindahl here: http://blistergearreview.com/gear-re...iamir-vipec-12
    I call mismeasure on Lou's weights here: https://www.wildsnow.com/21378/frits...-tecton-vipec/

    Quote Originally Posted by garuda View Post
    You would have to remount the heel plate. The Tecton and Vipec have the same hole pattern but different heel plates, and a Tecton heel won't slide on a Vipec plate. Didn't try the other way around but I imagine it is not compatible.
    TESTED
    Tecton won't fit on a Vipec plate.
    Vipec fits on Tecton plate, but introduces slight play (not advisable).
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    ^ Lou is incorrect on his published weight for the Vipec Black, "Interestingly, the new 500 gram Vipec weight is significantly lighter than this season’s ‘Black’ Vipec at 612 grams verified. I’m assuming that’s because they used more reinforced plastic." He must have accidentally compared the weight of the Vipec Black with brakes to the Evo without brakes.

    My scale says the Black is 532g per binding with the brake base and the two screws that attach it (and some extra grease under the heel), but without brake arm or ski screws. I get the exact same 585g as Summit for the Tecton without brake arm or ski screws, so my scale must be accurate.
    Last edited by 1000-oaks; 12-05-2017 at 02:04 AM.

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    My measured Vipec weights were also within about 10g of what Lindahl's scale read.

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    My measured 2018 VIPEC EVO is basically what Lindahl weighed

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    A single Vipec Evo no brakes was 500g even on my scale.

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    Including the brake base and the two screws that attach it? (As you'd use it running brakeless.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-oaks View Post
    Including the brake base and the two screws that attach it? (As you'd use it running brakeless.)
    I did this for my measures
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-oaks View Post
    Including the brake base and the two screws that attach it? (As you'd use it running brakeless.)
    Ya'll are right, remeasured with 8 binding screws + brake base = 563g.

    Without binding screws: 542g.

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