Alpine bindings that work with Dynafit/vibram soles?

[Z]

I'm behind the times, does this exist? Sliding AFD and adjustable toe height is necessary I assume... Using with Technica cochise pros with dyanfit soles...

[rob stokes]

Officially, Marker SP

Unofficially, all Sally drivers.

[kalisto]

We need some boot compatibility/binding thread… or maybe one exists.

Seems like some of the thicker soled AT boots have problems getting into bindings like the guardian?

I guess it's a little subjective, because you could just shove any boot into any binding somehow, but I'm thinking to to retain 'proper', or as close to proper release characteristics.

[cooks]

I'm able to cram my quadrants into a 916 but not 900s or 997. Not sure if the cochise would be any different though.

Edit: To clarify why this might be relevant, both the cochise and quadrant just barely fit into a salomon guardian iirc. So I assume the fit would be similar in other alpine bindings.

[1000-oaks]

Unofficially, all Sally drivers.

I've been meaning to do some measuring to see just how high it's okay to go with a Driver toe. I'm making some 1/8" shims to go between the post foot and the AFD, so the toe body isn't much higher on the post than usual. A 3/16" spacer would be perfect, but then the foot of the post starts getting close to the boot sole, and you don't want it making contact.

[Kevo]

A lot of people apparently ski Look/Rossi Pivots with the Dynafit heals and Din soles on the Cochise and also Titans.

It allows you to change out only the toes when you switch from Dynafit to pivot and back.

[kona12]

I am able to squeeze my Cochise's into Solomon z12's. I don't think they are designed to take them but so far they have released as expected.

[Below Zero]

I think Summit posted a thread about this a while ago.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...led-Test/page6

[Bobcat Sig]

Officially, Marker SP

Unofficially, all Sally drivers.

Correct, though not all Markers, which is what you meant by SP, I assume. Basically, Duke, Baron and Lord.
I know for a fact that the Cochise boot line will fit into the Baron/Duke.

In addition to the Drivers, Salomon's new WTR bindings do accept some, but it is proprietary. As in, it will only accept Salomon and Atomic WTR boots.

I think Summit posted a thread about this a while ago.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...led-Test/page6

This.

[Mike Pow]

My Dynafit TLT 5 Performance boots fit into Tyrolia bindings

[userA]

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[Harry]

Correct, though not all Markers, which is what you meant by SP, I assume.

He was talking about the new Marker Lord SP, the "SP" stands for Ski Patrol.

Thread is here: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...Binding-Thread

http://www.backcountry.com/marker-lord-sp-ski-binding
"Marker is the only manufacturer that makes a non-touring binding that accommodates AT and alpine boots safely: the Lord SP Ski Binding."

[neonorchid]

Officially, Marker SP

Unofficially, all Sally drivers.

Correct, though not all Markers, which is what you meant by SP, I assume. Basically, Duke, Baron and Lord.

Marker SP = Marker Lord SP, the "SP" = Ski Patrol, many of which like to work in AT boots, target market.

[neonorchid]

oops, Harry beat me to it. :\

[Z]

Thanks guys. Unrelated, but Guardians can't accommodate AT boots? Am I confused or is that special kind of stupid?

A lot of people apparently ski Look/Rossi Pivots with the Dynafit heals and Din soles on the Cochise and also Titans.

It allows you to change out only the toes when you switch from Dynafit to pivot and back.

Annoying, but not a bad idea.

[wasatchback]

My Dynafit TLT 5 Performance boots fit into Tyrolia bindings

And they stay in? There are no real toe or heal lugs for a binding to even grab on to?

[Lindahl]

Swapping just the Cochise toes works with just about every binding (except demo day guys won't like it). Salomon STH drivers work for full tech soles. Slowly making the move to Salomon only, but it'd be awesome to see DIN soles with tech fittings from Tecnica next year.

[1000-oaks]

Salomon STH drivers work for full tech soles.

They fit tech soles better than anything else but the Lord SP, but without a sliding AFD the release values are probably sketchy.

[Lindahl]

They fit tech soles better than anything else but the Lord SP, but without a sliding AFD the release values are probably sketchy.

They test out fine on shop equipment per Marshal (916s). See comments in one of the Blister reviews.

[DropCliffsNotBombs]

I can snap into my alpine bindings with my Sorels...

...but that doesn't make it a good idea.

[adrenalated]

Thanks guys. Unrelated, but Guardians can't accommodate AT boots? Am I confused or is that special kind of stupid?

Officially, Guardians are compatible with all alpine DIN soles and all WTR AT soles (Salomon's proprietary AT sole). Unofficially, they adjust high enough to get proper clearance on some rockered AT boots and not others. Fixed AFD just like the STH driver toe, so hard to say how well they release on an AT sole without testing.

[SB]

I'm behind the times, does this exist? Sliding AFD and adjustable toe height

NAXO, but then again.

[hutash]

I can snap into my alpine bindings with my Sorels...

...but that doesn't make it a good idea.

Pretty much this, but hey, they are not my knees so knock yourself out. Obama care covers ACL surgery.

[Lindahl]

Pretty much this, but hey, they are not my knees so knock yourself out. Obama care covers ACL surgery.

What part of 'shop tested' do you guys not understand? In the field, they've released as expected for me.

As an aside, typical ACL injuries aren't avoided by binding release. Pretty much no binding will release in a backwards twisting fall (hence the market for the knee binding). You need the heel to release sideways to even come close to avoiding that. Your foot doesn't really rotate, it's your thigh that rotates around the lower leg.

[neonorchid]

They test out fine on shop equipment per Marshal (916s). See comments in one of the Blister reviews.

What part of 'shop tested' do you guys not understand? In the field, they've released as expected.

As an aside, typical ACL injuries aren't avoided by binding release. Pretty much no binding will release in a backwards twisting fall (hence the market for the knee binding). You need the heel to release sideways to even come close to avoiding that. Your foot doesn't really rotate, it's your thigh that rotates around the lower leg.

Do you have a link to that? I looked and certainly hope the following is not what you're referencing -
"My anecdotal results indicate that there is more friction in the Tracker with a rockered AT sole than with the same boot in a Salomon 916 binding"^
^ http://blistergearreview.com/gear-re...-16-at-binding