Check Out Our Shop
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 44
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    14

    Where to get lifters/risers for bindings

    Hey all,

    I am an ex-racer from the east coast and my race skiis would always come with lifters for the bindings. Now I am on the west coast (BC) and everytime I ask a ski shop about lifters they kind of get this blank look and say "why would you want to do that?"

    I can't find lifters anywhere. I am looking for lifters for my Dynastar Pro XXLs 187 with PX18 bindings. Does anyone have advice for what to get and where to get such a thing as lifters for this setup?

    *also interested in buying some if anyone is interested in selling*

    Thanks

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    In Your Wife
    Posts
    8,288
    Why would you want them? You don't need them.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    2,953
    I think they are for getting high.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Wasatch
    Posts
    7,400
    I have FKS lifters if that helps. Same as PX???
    I need to go to Utah.
    Utah?
    Yeah, Utah. It's wedged in between Wyoming and Nevada. You've seen pictures of it, right?

    So after 15 years we finally made it to Utah.....


    Thanks BCSAR and POWMOW Ski Patrol for rescues

    8, 17, 13, 18, 16, 18, 20, 19, 16, 24, 32, 35

    2021/2022 (13/15)

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    14
    thank you glademaster and meter-man for being so helpful

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    14
    yes! whyturn I will pm

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Down In A Hole, Up in the Sky
    Posts
    36,219
    Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    SL,UT
    Posts
    255
    I think the free gear thread over in Gear Swap has a lot of lifters. On a wide ski though, I really would like to know why...

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    THOR-Foothills
    Posts
    6,023
    Here you go

    It doesn't matter if you're a king or a little street sweeper...
    ...sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper
    -Death

    Quote Originally Posted by St. Jerry View Post
    The other morning I was awoken to "Daddy, my fart fell on the floor"
    Kaz is my co-pilot

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Among Greatness All Around
    Posts
    6,715
    Could always make some- take the bindings and trace the toe and heel pattern. Then get a lexan plastic sheet (even can use a cutting board) in the thickness you want to go above the ski and cut out the patterns with a saw.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    People's Republic of MN
    Posts
    5,783
    There is ZERO point to putting risers on fat skis. Srsly. But rear entry boots...those suckers RAWK!!!

    The whole reason for risers was the prevent boot-out on carving boards. When your skis are wider than your boots, it kinda takes care of that issue all on its own.
    Gravity. It's the law.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Somewhere else
    Posts
    5,724
    Quote Originally Posted by axebiker View Post
    There is ZERO point to putting risers on fat skis. Srsly. But rear entry boots...those suckers RAWK!!!

    The whole reason for risers was the prevent boot-out on carving boards. When your skis are wider than your boots, it kinda takes care of that issue all on its own.
    While I personally wouldn't put risers on, the other reason is to put less torque on your ankle. On very fat skis, a riser really could mitigate this.
    Goal: ski in the 2018/19 season

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    SnoqWA
    Posts
    2,636
    Quote Originally Posted by Shorty_J View Post
    While I personally wouldn't put risers on, the other reason is to put less torque on your ankle. On very fat skis, a riser really could mitigate this.
    That makes no sense, it would be the opposite if anything. The other reason would be for a quicker/twitchier feel, but that comes with a decrease in stability.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    People's Republic of MN
    Posts
    5,783
    Quote Originally Posted by bfree View Post
    That makes no sense, it would be the opposite if anything. The other reason would be for a quicker/twitchier feel, but that comes with a decrease in stability.
    My thoughts as well.

    Think about a pry bar - do you hold it close to the think you're prying, or further away from it to increase torque? A higher platform INCREASES torque. Even ski width does this. That's why my knees get sore if I ski wider skid on hardpack.
    Gravity. It's the law.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Maine Coast
    Posts
    4,923
    ^^^^^^^^^guessing this is the reason the poster wants the risers. Ex-racer who wants to torque his fat boards.

    Reason everyone is asking why would you do that is because that is not how you ski pow even though it may look that way in porn.


    edit: if you want risers buy some Dukes
    Last edited by cat in january; 11-24-2013 at 02:31 PM.

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    northern BC
    Posts
    32,368
    If you want to make risers go to a plastics shop, I went to a big shop that sells big 4x8 sheets of the stuff to the local mills for industrial apps and they gave me scraps for like 10$ which they put in the coffee fund

    doesn't using a riser make the lower leg into a longer lever ?

    Archimedes said "give me a lever long enough and I will move the world" I'm guessing buddy was not a powder skier?
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Fernie and/or Smithers
    Posts
    1,497
    Quote Originally Posted by bfree View Post
    The other reason would be for a quicker/twitchier feel, but that comes with a decrease in stability.
    Yes and yes. I used to ski exclusively with risers on all my fat skis. It does make them turn better, livlier and quicker edge to edge. If you've raced you will appreciate this. And it does suck some stability out of your setup for sure. I am at the point now where turning is too much work and added stability helps so I've regressed back to flat mounts (although I do mount the odd pair with risers now if I have hole conflicts - turntable risers have different mount than the flat bindings).
    As for PX risers, the FKS will work for your toe but NOT for your heel. Not sure that a PX lifter actually exists? Scavenge a plate off a haggered set of rossi/dynastar race skis and remount on your pow skis. That would be cool.
    Do what you like, Like what you do.

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    People's Republic of MN
    Posts
    5,783
    Whatever floats his boat I guess. He must have younger/less damaged knees and ankles than I do.
    Gravity. It's the law.

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Canuckistan/Sverige/Montucky
    Posts
    2,973
    Can't tell if this is serious. Risers on pow skis?? I'm an ex - FIS racer as well but can't imagine putting a riser on fat. Skis.

    It would destroy the stability, no more slarving or flat base pivoting and cause increased edge pressure which in pow would led to hookiness and sinking. They would be grabby as fuck on groomers as well.

    Don't do it. You're not a racer anyone and live in BC. Learn what cool shit fat skis can do without Risers.
    Flying the Bluehouse colors in Western Canada! Let me know if you want some rad skis!!

    "He is god of snow; the one called Ullr. Son of Sif, step son of Thor. He is so fierce a bowman and ski-runner that none may contend! He is quite beautiful to look upon and has all the characteristics of a warrior. It is wise to invoke the name of Ullr in duels!"

    -The Gylfaginning

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    ColoRADo
    Posts
    100
    Quote Originally Posted by axebiker View Post
    The whole reason for risers was the prevent boot-out on carving boards. When your skis are wider than your boots, it kinda takes care of that issue all on its own.
    Pfff who turns anymore? Just straight line that shit.

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    387
    Quote Originally Posted by axebiker View Post
    My thoughts as well.

    Think about a pry bar - do you hold it close to the think you're prying, or further away from it to increase torque? A higher platform INCREASES torque. Even ski width does this. That's why my knees get sore if I ski wider skid on hardpack.
    While I also don't see the need for risers I do believe your torque analogy is wrong. Moving your hand further up the pry bar (higher risers) increases the torque you input to the object you are prying (the ski) for each pound of force you put in. It is increasing torque to your advantage and requiring less effort to put the ski on edge. This is also what makes it twitchy, the ski reacts too much to small amounts of input.

    The reason the wider skis make your knees sore is the same concept but in reverse....the skis lever is effectively getting longer and putting more torque on your knee.

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    People's Republic of MN
    Posts
    5,783
    Quote Originally Posted by EEC View Post
    While I also don't see the need for risers I do believe your torque analogy is wrong. Moving your hand further up the pry bar (higher risers) increases the torque you input to the object you are prying (the ski) for each pound of force you put in. It is increasing torque to your advantage and requiring less effort to put the ski on edge. This is also what makes it twitchy, the ski reacts too much to small amounts of input.

    The reason the wider skis make your knees sore is the same concept but in reverse....the skis lever is effectively getting longer and putting more torque on your knee.
    I agree with you -- I'm just not good at conveying my thoughts in this instance without illustrations.
    Gravity. It's the law.

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Posts
    6,108
    Quote Originally Posted by Gripen View Post
    Can't tell if this is serious. Risers on pow skis?? I'm an ex - FIS racer as well but can't imagine putting a riser on fat. Skis.

    It would destroy the stability, no more slarving or flat base pivoting and cause increased edge pressure which in pow would led to hookiness and sinking. They would be grabby as fuck on groomers as well.
    Where do people come up with this bushwah?

    Go tell the hundreds of people with Dynaduke plates that they can't possibly be skiing, because the combination puts them about 45mm off the ski.

    I've skied fat skis with Rossi Scratch bindings (flat to the ski, <8mm) and with Dukes on plates (45mm). The lift makes traverses and hard edges less painful, as it's less torquey on the ankles. No interesting difference in slarvability, etc., because the total distance from your knee is only varying by perhaps 7%.

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    northern BC
    Posts
    32,368
    i would bet a case of brown pops if there was a way to blind test a ski with a stack of riser vs none IN pow that nobody could tell the difference ...I think the idea that a skier will be more stable closer to the ski is all BS that somebody made up and everybody repeats
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Canuckistan/Sverige/Montucky
    Posts
    2,973
    Quote Originally Posted by Spats View Post
    Where do people come up with this bushwah?

    Go tell the hundreds of people with Dynaduke plates that they can't possibly be skiing, because the combination puts them about 45mm off the ski.

    I've skied fat skis with Rossi Scratch bindings (flat to the ski, <8mm) and with Dukes on plates (45mm). The lift makes traverses and hard edges less painful, as it's less torquey on the ankles. No interesting difference in slarvability, etc., because the total distance from your knee is only varying by perhaps 7%.
    Where did I say you can't ski with lifters. Qoute where I said that. Don't be putting words on my mouth.

    I said it's more efficient, not impossible. Big difference.



    7
    Flying the Bluehouse colors in Western Canada! Let me know if you want some rad skis!!

    "He is god of snow; the one called Ullr. Son of Sif, step son of Thor. He is so fierce a bowman and ski-runner that none may contend! He is quite beautiful to look upon and has all the characteristics of a warrior. It is wise to invoke the name of Ullr in duels!"

    -The Gylfaginning

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •