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  1. #51
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    Likely my last update to this novel, but hopefully it helps others that are looking at narrow boots. The Head Raptor B3 RD boot slots in between the Redster and the Dobie WC EDT. The heal pocket is wider than the Dobie, but narrower than the Redster. the mid and forefoot are also narrower than the Redster, and possibly narrower than Dobie. Haven't had them on side by side yet.

    For me, w/ my tiny ankles and low instep I am sold on the Dobie WC EDT shape. That heal pocket is awesome. I have found it impossible or very difficult to long term make a heal pocket that is too large smaller and so almost use that area as the deciding factor. The rest can be ground or stretched. Even there the Dobie WC seems to fit my foot. I would say its more like a piece of pizza (Super narrow in heal, but wider as you move forward) than the Head which seems narrow throughout. I think I would likely have to grind more on the Head, but would need some padding long term in the heal pocket. Head liner seems very solid and on par w/ Dobie liner. I think the Redster might be my slight favorite amongst the three liners, but only slightly. It feels a smidge thicker while still being dense.
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  2. #52
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    A couple of last thoughts as my home boot store is getting packaged up and the Brown Santa will come and take them all away.

    The Head B3 is actually pretty dang close to the Dobie WC EDT 130 in terms of fit/narrowness. The Head is a real nice boot and if price were no object I would likely opt for it. I like the liner a smidge more, the adjustable flex is also nice. Definitely splitting hairs on this one so I would buy whichever is cheaper.

    My wife has also had a bunch of Dobie WC 100's. She says that the '14 black model does fit differently than the EDT last. Sounds like the '14 model is a bit tighter. She always like the original matte black Dobie WC 100's or Xsoft's and wasn't totally sold on the EDT last. It was close, but not quite right. Wish I could tell you what specifically is different, but she isn't great at narrowing it down to specific differences.
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  3. #53
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    Off the subject, but i have a brand new pair of head raptors 150, couple years old. I would give away. $50 shipped. They are just sitting in my garage.
    still have tags on them. Retail is around 800 i think.

  4. #54
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    ^^Size? If 27.X, I'll call dibs now...
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  5. #55
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    I have been running the raptor b3 for the last few seasons. Best boot I have had in years.

  6. #56
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    PSA: skiyard has a number of race boots on sale. http://skiyard.com/collections/boots?page=1

    Most boots are only available in 1-2 sizes, but totally worth it if they're your size. Except there's almost full run of Scorpion 150s for $130: http://skiyard.com/collections/boots...-8-5-uk-204012

    Just picked up some Lange ZBs for $240 (considered the ZC, but they didn't have my size). If you're looking for something particular, check back regularly, as their stock seems to change almost randomly. Nabbed jesski some Head Raptor B5s for $300 a few months back.
    "Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers

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  7. #57
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    New question:

    Have the Lange / Rossi ZA/ZB series boots changed at all in the last 5 years?

    Have the two brands been the same that whole time?

    Skiyard and ASO gear have some very affordable older versions and wanted to see if anything had changed. Was in getting footbeds made by Brent at Park City Ski Boot and he mentioned my Dobies WC EDT 130's were a 95mm last and that I would be better off in one of these... Not sure I feel like dealing since I'm very comfortable right now, but the price sure is right...
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  8. #58
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    The liner was updated 2-3 seasons ago (2015 I think). The updated ones are way nicer, IMO, with a larger neoprene toe box. Like a zipfit but lower volume. Not sure about other changes.
    "Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers

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    Quote Originally Posted by auvgeek View Post
    The liner was updated 2-3 seasons ago (2015 I think). The updated ones are way nicer, IMO, with a larger neoprene toe box. Like a zipfit but lower volume. Not sure about other changes.
    So this one is likely the older one, https://skiyard.com/collections/boot...ant=7250435011

    Thanks!
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  10. #60
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    Yes, I'm pretty sure those are the older one based on the color. I think these have the newer one:
    https://skiyard.com/collections/boot...nt=37988337222
    https://skiyard.com/collections/boot...-boots-lbd9240

    Like I said, there may be other changes and the liner may be updated since 2015. My 6th met head (tailor's bunion) can't handle the width of the 2014 liner but the 2015 liner is comfortable. You might be just fine in the 2014 liner.
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  11. #61
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    Damn. Figures... Don't have my size in the newer one and I'm guessing that is definitely worth something. Thanks!
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  12. #62
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    It might not be that big of a deal -- you're going to have a pay a bootfitter for hours of punching and grinding the sole for DIN spec anyway, so unless you're in tight with a bootfitter, you won't save that much money by buying from skiyard anyway. If you don't need hours and hours of work done to get the 92 last to fit your feet, then there's a high probability you'll be fine in the narrower liner.
    "Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers

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  13. #63
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    I only need the toes ground, and a punch over my arch. Otherwise have always been good in the old Dobie Soft's... So some work, but not a ridiculous amount. Thx for info.
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    Rather than start a new thread I thought that it would be best to add questions here. I hope that's ok. My problem is that I have a very long, and very narrow foot. I can get into a size 29, but it generally needs work to get a big of extra length. As nowhere near here stocks full on race boots, let alone in a size 29, I am limited to ordering online, and then taking them to a boot fitter

    I would be very interested to hear if anybody on here has been in the new Atomic Redster, with the 92mm last? I have had versions of the old 95mm in a 130 and 150 flex, but had been looking at the Rossi / Lange 92mm boots as the 95mm last was still quite big on my foot. If anybody has been in the 92mm last Atomic I would really appreciate any info on fit, whether in comparison to the old Atomic, or the Lange.

    Also if anybody can shed any light on how the ZA and ZB flexes compare to other plug 130/150 boots it would be very useful.

    Thanks.

  15. #65
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    Sorry, nothing to add regarding the fit of the Lange. However in ski yard there is a 29 (UK 10) Nordica Dobermann EDT 130 93mm last boot for a good price. And if I am not mistaken, they may the lowest volume of the bunch. Don't quote me on that though.

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    Thank you very much for your help. Unfortunately I did have a version of this boot (admittedly when it was 95mm last) and it came up very short. It was a 330mm bsl compared to 335mm on the Atomic and it was very obvious inside the boot. My big toenails were completely black very quickly and skiing was not fun. Unless I could confirm that the newer models had more length I would be too scared to try again. Thanks anyway.

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    I went from the RS140 to the Club Sport Redster (95 last) to the ZB just this season due to broken shell issues. Skiing wise, Iíd say skiing best to worst with the stock liners it goes ZB, RS140, Club Sport Redster. I did think the ZB was a little too stiff with two screws in it, and initially way too soft with only one screw, but I grew to like the feel after a bit.

    Interestingly enough, I really liked the Atomic Clubsport Redster with the Lange RS140 liner in it. Not sure why but it skied awesome and felt great too.

    Iíve been also playing around with the thickest Intuition Pro Tour liner in XT Freetour 130 and itís been pretty good. The thick liner hasnít seemed to pack out yet and it skis pretty good.

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    What about the instep of the plug's? Who has the lowest instep? How does the Lange ZA compare to the Head B3 to the Dobie WC in this area?
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