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02-11-2020, 06:25 PM #726Registered User
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I grabbed that pair of BNIP Shane memorial 189 Pon2oons off eBay over the summer for $175 and enjoy those more. More float, more fun on steeps, mellow trees, pillows, open spaces and tight spots. They are what I thought the Protests would be. I wish I had taken them to Japan last year instead of my Protests.
Maybe, if they don’t sell, I’ll remount them 2cm back and try again, but as of right now I’d rather get them into someone else’s hands to enjoy.
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02-11-2020, 07:14 PM #727Registered User
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Praxis Protest..just how cool is it?
Skibird, some peeps jive right away with the Protest, some it takes a while, some never do. Don’t worry about it and move on. Too many kickass skis out there today to try to make a ski work. With that said, I would mount them back -2cm and give them a go. Sounds like you like to ski fast and Protests absolutely reward that.
Protest float crazy well but they get their float closer to the boot than other skis and need speed to come up.
As far as the flex goes, as big as you are I think the 4 flex is perfect, I run the 4 flex on my 192’s, not as big as you and just dig it. The shape of the Protest lends itself to a stiffer flex. That said, my 3 flex 188’s are a ton of fun, more playful with some business.
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02-11-2020, 09:47 PM #728Registered User
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I think you are right. I’ll redo the FS thread with a few other skis next week. Need to get some more time on two pairs before I make a decision. I’d like to get to 2 big mountain skis (115-120mm) and one Uber fat (120+). The Pon2oons has replaced the Protests, and I need to get the 193 BMX 115 out a few more days, as well as on the 196 Bodacious before I make a decision.
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02-11-2020, 09:56 PM #729Registered User
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Adding some experience to this thread. My first pair of Protests were Adrenalated’s old 187 nylon top sheets and he said they were 3.75 flex as he had them out of a custom build. Those skis were money on the line. Tips were always up. Awesome for. Cat skiing. I had demo bindings on them and didn’t like them at -1 cm . Last year I picked up a pair of 192 #4’s. I mounted them in the line, this time with sth2 bindings. I like the length and have no problems throwing them around in tight Kootenay trees but the tips don’t plane like my previous ones. I am guessing it the flex. I hate to drill another set of holes but might just do so to try them back.
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02-11-2020, 10:46 PM #730Registered User
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This is one of my many issues. The tips just want to submarine and that’s not acceptable for a 128 wide ski. They have 2 sets of holes already and I’m walking away before putting another set of holes in them. I think the flex with the carbon is just a tad too much for what I’m looking for.
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02-12-2020, 12:51 AM #731
Sounds like mine when i was on the dimple. -1.5 and its a whole new ball game
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02-12-2020, 06:12 AM #733Registered User
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02-13-2020, 04:07 AM #734
At 195# and skiing the 187 protest -1cm, I feel like I need a good boot-deep to knee-deep dump to make this ski worth taking out. Anything past a foot of fresh is damn fun, but I’d size up to 192cm if I could do it over.
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02-13-2020, 02:08 PM #735Registered User
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Joining in the circle jerk here
TLDR; Ski faster. Quit breathing. Don't crash.
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02-13-2020, 02:21 PM #736
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02-13-2020, 02:39 PM #737Registered User
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Sounds like N1CK and SUPERIOR need to trade Protests...
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02-14-2020, 08:12 AM #738
Anyone can to compare Powderboards to Protests? I just have more fun when I go to the ski area with PBs. Here at Wanker Park it's basically trees, bumps and groomers. Often times howadays it is bumps in the trees...yeah. Charging(tm) is not so much what goes down. The playfullness(tm) of the R/R ski is just what makes me smile.
I have heard that the Protest keeps the butterability(tm) of the PB but is more versitile but I'm not sure I buy it.
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02-14-2020, 08:21 AM #739Registered User
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02-14-2020, 10:35 AM #740
My 1st gen 196s don’t tip dive at all. I’m 200 6-2. I’ll look at where I mounted them, it was a long time ago... I remember Keith changed the mount point between gen1 and gen2.
I’m a huge Protest (and praxis) fan. I’ll never sell my 196s, they are the perfect deep pow ski for me.
I’ve posted this in the praxis thread before: DO NOT MESS WITH FLEX, LAYUP, WIDTH, ROCKER ON YOUR PRAXIS BUILD. Keith’s builds are dialed. I truly believe he is harming his business by offering all the custom options. If you read through negative reviews of praxis skis, it is fairly common that the customer modified the build...
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02-14-2020, 11:51 AM #741Registered User
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Thanks for checking on the mount for me.
I do agree that you shouldn’t mess with the build. Keith does a pretty darn good job and his skis usually are correct as they are. Saying that, I will add I’ve tried 3 stock skis (Freerides, Protests, and Qs) and 2 custom skis (+10 Freerides and Protests) and have sold 4 of the 5 pairs. I just don’t seem to mesh with them, and that’s ok. I really liked the Qs when they were my only option for pow on a trip, but when I got home and had options, there were other skis I liked better. The build quality and finish of larger manufacturer skis is just better. The rocker shape of my Qs changed drastically depending on the temp, humidity, and use. I loved them when they were fully rocker after a bunch of use, but didn’t like them when the camber returned.
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02-14-2020, 12:49 PM #742
I think it depends on the skier and whether they have enough experience with various skis to know what they want. I prefer veneer on all my skis, and I definitely like the heavy/carbon/veneer layup on my Qs considerably more than the stock enduro/nylon top sheet layup
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02-14-2020, 01:02 PM #743Registered User
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I feel Keith would probably speak up if he thought that a certain custom build wouldn't work well, that being said if the customer is insistent then you can only influence the outcome so much...
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02-14-2020, 01:26 PM #744tinkerer
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02-14-2020, 01:34 PM #745The build quality and finish of larger manufacturer skis is just better. The rocker shape of my Qs changed drastically depending on the temp, humidity, and use. I loved them when they were fully rocker after a bunch of use, but didn’t like them when the camber returned.
I do love my Qs and one ski can't be everything but there are times when I think they could be a fit looser.
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02-14-2020, 01:49 PM #746Registered User
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Agreed muggy. I’ve owned and skied several stock praxis build skis and had custom protest and custom pm gear 191FATS and they both are exactly what I was going for in each ski. Keith did offer input and talked me out of carbon on the Lhasa. Protests don’t have carbon either as I never planned on them being built with it.
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02-14-2020, 02:43 PM #747Registered User
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Haha no spread sheet for that, lol. Just feel and looking at them.
The Qs are a great ski. If money was endless I’d get a pair of stock core and flex, veneer Q graphic, but CCR (full rocker).
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02-14-2020, 04:08 PM #748
Just to add to the custom yay/nay discussion my custom UL/ veneer flex 4+ protests are exactly what I wanted.
My custom yetis are very close in that I do not regret getting them in flex 4 but I regret going enduro instead of UL. K listened to you lot too much about UL being undesirable in shit snow! They ski amazing but the extra weight is noticeable. They're basically as heavy as my protests or just about.
I agree that you need to know what you want in a custom ski and that just wringing it with a "what about this" is not terribly advisable.
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02-14-2020, 04:14 PM #749
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