Praxis Protest..just how cool is it?

[The Iron Horse]

If it's the new protest rocker pressed beginning last season, imo go on the line.

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Yeah, these are the new rocker. I think you are right. Happy to be a data point.

[bry]

I had some of the previous gen mounted -2 and liked them but could've bumped up a hair. Last season I skied a -1 build (118 under foot) with the new rocker mounted on the line (-8,) and they're smokin'.

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[The Iron Horse]

I had some of the previous gen mounted -2 and liked them but could've bumped up a hair. Last season I skied a -1 build (118 under foot) with the new rocker mounted on the line (-8,) and they're smokin'.

Thanks. Maybe I just throw the P15s on the line and take it from there.

Too early to be this excited. I'll try to post some pics later in the week.

[altacoup]

IMO if you’re buying a ski like the protest going back of the line doesn’t makes sense. The ski is meant to be loose and slarvy. Going back makes the ski feel weird. I have a pair that is a proto type with full reverse camber and the original mount was -1.5. They felt totally off and out was hard to control the tips. It’s a super fat ski, so there’s no need to go back for float. I’d recommend putting them on the line and enjoy the loose feel. It is designed to be like a spatula without the weird skis go in opposite directions that the full reverse sidecut do if not super balanced.

[Self Jupiter]

IMO if you’re buying a ski like the protest going back of the line doesn’t makes sense. The ski is meant to be loose and slarvy. Going back makes the ski feel weird. I have a pair that is a proto type with full reverse camber and the original mount was -1.5. They felt totally off and out was hard to control the tips. It’s a super fat ski, so there’s no need to go back for float. I’d recommend putting them on the line and enjoy the loose feel. It is designed to be like a spatula without the weird skis go in opposite directions that the full reverse sidecut do if not super balanced.

I wish I mounted the pair I had on the line. I think I went ~1.5 back and they felt the way you described compared to my other powder skis, too much tip and float from the tip vs the middle of the ski. I went back to back with 186 Chipotle Bananas (mounted -.75cm from the line, -6 from center) and was instantly skiing a lot better and I felt more in control.

[Island Bay]

10+ years on the line, and never a moment of regret.

(Edit: 6'1 x 165. Trad style, and just want to go fast. Boots Nordica Speedmachines, then Maestrales and Cochise 110 and 130. BSL 325)

[2FUNKY]

I wish I mounted the pair I had on the line. I think I went ~1.5 back and they felt the way you described compared to my other powder skis, too much tip and float from the tip vs the middle of the ski. I went back to back with 186 Chipotle Bananas (mounted -.75cm from the line, -6 from center) and was instantly skiing a lot better and I felt more in control.

Interesting. I have my now 192 4 flex -1.5 and have none of the bad characteristics you mention. Full auto pilot, so drifty and balanced. Pivot machines in trees. My 188’s are also back, -1 and are super intuitive there. Maybe boot lean plays a role? Ive skied them on the line and didn’t like how I felt I had to weight the instep or even a little towards the heel. Now I can weight the ball in my proper athletic stance. Loved the spat on the line but that was/is a different shape. Been on this shape for a very long time, they rule pow!


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[Self Jupiter]

Interesting. I have my now 192 4 flex -1.5 and have none of the bad characteristics you mention. Full auto pilot, so drifty and balanced. Pivot machines in trees. My 188’s are also back, -1 and are super intuitive there. Maybe boot lean plays a role? Ive skied them on the line and didn’t like how I felt I had to weight the instep or even a little towards the heel. Now I can weight the ball in my proper athletic stance. Loved the spat on the line but that was/is a different shape. Been on this shape for a very long time, they rule pow!


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It is interesting. Could be boot lean, feels like I set up my boots more to be upright every year. I think body type plays a role as well and I’m shorter, lighter and less strong than you are at 5’7’’ ~165lbs. I’ve noticed taller or stronger guys with a more traditional (and perhaps just better) ski style and technique tend to be cooler with more tip in powder than shorter dudes like me.

I also think it comes down to what skis you’re used to skiing. Gone for me are the days where I switch from a -10cm traditionally mounted daily driver to a more modern mount point powder ski. All of my skis are mounted around -6cm from center and have similar balance points. I hardly feel the tail in a negative way anymore and I only long for more shovel or tip on skis that are shorter than I’m used to skiing. But now it takes me a few runs to get used to a more traditional ski, especially in soft snow.

[skis_the_trees]

I think boot forward lean, ramp angle of the binding, and notably BSL all play a role.

Some of the average size dudes on here have jammed their feet into i.e. 290mm BSL plug boots. My alpine boots are about 350mm. If we both mount "on the line" then my toe and ball of foot is 3cm more forward but per "the line" we have mounted the same!?! I think we would all agree we control the ski more from the ball of the foot than the arbitrary midsole mark on the boot.

I'm always 1.5-2cm back on Praxis mounts for them to feel good.

[Horu]

<p>
Heyyy Bry- you still loving the -1 build (118 underfoot)? I know the WooTest conversation has been had many times; I don&#39;t see it as a current option on the Praxis site. The slightly fatter -1 build protest is honestly a little more what I&#39;m looking for. I&#39;m probably looking at a 192, flex 4/4+, enduro+carbon build. Also, somewhere, someone recommended a Lithic ski as a solid alternative. Lithic doesn&#39;t seem to be around anymore, but if anyone else is aware of a skinny protest type ski, I&#39;m open to suggestions.</p>

[bry]

Yessir, I had an amazing spring on them last season, they're near frictionless, the smidge of camber is nice, and the 4 flex is perfect combined with the HH core. The new generation's tip rocker is great. I got in over 20 days between April and June on 118s most days with the best days on the Protests.

Email Keith see what he says.

[Self Jupiter]

Heyyy Bry- you still loving the -1 build (118 underfoot)? I know the WooTest conversation has been had many times; I don't see it as a current option on the Praxis site. The slightly fatter -1 build protest is honestly a little more what I'm looking for. I'm probably looking at a 192, flex 4/4+, enduro+carbon build. Also, somewhere, someone recommended a Lithic ski as a solid alternative. Lithic doesn't seem to be around anymore, but if anyone else is aware of a skinny protest type ski, I'm open to suggestions.

I preferred OG 4FRNT Renegades or Moment Chipotle Bananas to some older protests I tried out. In hindsight I wish I was able to move the mount point a little forward on the Protests. Some generations of the 4FRNT Inthayne are a lighter 118 uf full reverse ski that might be worth checking out too.

[meter-man]

After not skiing on my Protests for...13 months, I took them out today on a 2inch-ish "pow" day. (For reference, I've owned Chipotle Bananas...still need to try Renegades, but expect I would love these too, as I dig the 190 Ravens...)

And holy shit: the Protests are the best fucking pow ski - jeebus are they fun!! Might have to sell off my C132s, which I've never totally fallen in love with, and get a touring layup Protest. These things are so good in non-pow, and then in pow....I've not skied anything that comes close.

One of only two skis that is a true cold dead hand ski for me, the other being a 12/13 Moment Bibby, which I skied into oblivion.

[cocoapuff]

just curious for those that are saying the new rocker profile protest should be mounted on or closer to the line... what about the new profile makes you say that? The new profile definitely has a more abrubt rise in the tip rocker and possibly a less deep rocker line in tail. That is comparing to my 188s however, not the older 187 profile.

[bry]

Unstoppable

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[Poorhouse]

Moving this over from them general Praxis thread.
Mystery Protests from FB marketplace showed up. I reviewed them with Keith, he thinks they are the newer 187 version based on the straight pull lenght of 185.5 and a custom full rocker lay up.
Not exactly what I was looking for but they are in great condition and were cheap. Going to mount them with Attack Demos this week. If the snow cooperates I&#39;ll try them out soon.
They should be fun and give me enough info to decide if I want to spring for a new set with camber.
I can&#39;t get pics to post here. See if these imgur links work.
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[The Iron Horse]

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