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01-25-2018, 06:13 PM #201
I say do it and sell me the 188s!!
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01-25-2018, 09:23 PM #202
So I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on some Protests. My favorite pow ski to date is the Moment Bibby in 190cm. What length should I go with? 187 or 192?
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01-25-2018, 09:58 PM #203Registered User
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No experience with the Bibby so take this fwiw. I felt the Protest skied short. In tight trees, I never once felt like 187’s were too much nor too little. We skied three days of tight trees with very little open bowl skiing due to snow stability. We did find some places though to open up and at higher speeds they didn’t get squirrely. I never buried the tips and felt I had enough tail behind me. If money wasn’t an factor, I would consider ordering the 192 this spring . I think I might appreciate it on more open terrain.
Me - 39 yr old male, 6’-5”,195 lbs.
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01-25-2018, 10:22 PM #204Registered User
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Praxis Protest..just how cool is it?
I have a whooping 6 runs on the Bibby in 10" of pow. While I did like the Bibby, the ProTest is on another level as a pow ski.
I own what is the Gen2 188, not sure what changed, and have a ton of days on it. It skis short when needed yet can feel longer on wide open spaces where it can haul ass. I am 5'10, 195 very strong athletic build. I have yet to feel the 188 is to short. Never had tip dive, I can drive them as much as I want.
Sorry man but I will never sell my 188 even if I do a custom 192. The only reason I am wanting to do a custom is to stiffen them up a touch. It's not that they are particularly soft, I just like a stiff ski. Stock flex is a 3 and I want a 4.
The 3 is very playful yet can haul, I'm just intrigued to see what a 4 flex can do.
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01-25-2018, 10:44 PM #205
Praxis Protest..just how cool is it?
Mount point- I sold my first pair of 192s (mainly to go from enduro/Carbon/nylon topsheet/4 flex to enduro/veneer/3 flex) - but also a little to go -1.2. As someone else mentioned I've never heard of someone mounting protests back then moving them forward.
I'm 5'9 185 and I feel like the 192s are very quick in deep snow and trees. Occasionally the physical length has gotten in the way for me.
That being said, I would have gotten 187s for sure if I did not own Quixotes and Jeffrey 114s and have access to billygoats. I do not bring out Protests in 6" as many on here have touted
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01-25-2018, 11:00 PM #206
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01-25-2018, 11:04 PM #207
What other skis do you ski?
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01-25-2018, 11:09 PM #208Registered User
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01-29-2018, 03:11 PM #209Registered User
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I am coming at this as a member of the 190 Bibby fan club and *think* I agree with Phatty's take. I'm not certain, because I haven't skied the 192 Protest and only have a few days on a stock 187 mounted on the dimple. What I can say so far is that the Protest is indeed on a different level in pow with very noticeable float coming from the centre section of the ski. This makes it very easy to make whatever turn shape you want. Once you start to feel/get used to the support from underfoot you stop thinking about the relatively small/short looking tips out in front of you and start concentrating on finding the best pockets of snow/features to slash and pop off of. The 187 is really easy to ski and hasn't felt overwhelming in the slightest. It also hasn't felt too short, but given how easy it is to ski in tight spots, I'd personally consider going up to the 192 just for a little extra fore/aft stability and ability to drive the tips in chop. Local terrain, skier height etc are obviously factors here, but if you are happy with the 190 Bibby I'd imagine the 192 Protest would be a good fit. This is all based on fairly limited time on the 187, so take it for what it's worth.
Edited to add that either length will be awesome and will be a great supplement to the Bibby.
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01-29-2018, 03:43 PM #210Registered User
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01-29-2018, 03:53 PM #211
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01-29-2018, 03:55 PM #212Registered User
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01-29-2018, 07:25 PM #213
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01-29-2018, 07:27 PM #214Registered User
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Lol
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01-30-2018, 09:02 AM #215Registered User
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Trying to get a pair of Protests again, sort of miss the easy swishing around on the for days after a storm...
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01-30-2018, 10:27 AM #216
196 OG protest in Gear swap for 100 bucks....
Edit..looks like you already got em
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02-01-2018, 02:30 PM #217
In a weak moment, I picked up a pair of 187's. I'm thinking that these are a couple years old, in spite of them hardly having a nick on them.
Straight pull - 186cm (maybe a touch shorter, like 185.75)
Straight pull (tip to dimple): 100.5cm (that puts them at -7.5 instead of current spec of -8)
Orange side walls
Nylon top (Stained Glass Trees, so they're customs)
Here's the kicker: weight is exactly 10.0 Lbs. I'm thinking they're the older, heavier core jobbies referenced above, rather than a custom heavy (Maple/Ash) from this Spring. Does any of the above data point toward one (older) or the other (this Spring)?
So if we're liking -1 to -1.5 relative to the dot on current Protests ('coz I love this on my GPOs & Qs), do y'all think going -1 to -1.5 on these is consistent with that? It's somewhat academic, 'coz I'll need to go there in any event, due to hole conflict but I thought I'd ask.
[Edit] @adrenalated and @N1CK (back in post #'s 41 & 42) make me think that these are recent, and the 7.5 vs. 8 is a standard production variance (or possibly a minor undocumented change). It seems as if the older Protests were spec'd further back (at -9) if @adrenalated's memory is accurate.
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02-01-2018, 02:55 PM #218
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02-01-2018, 03:16 PM #219
Yeah, given that I have no choice (hole conflict), I'm totally OK with treating the line as the one everyone is talking about and going back 1.25 to 1.5 (depending on hole avoidance requirements). The good news is that existing holes limit my OCD tendencies ;-)
I'm still curious about what generation these are however ... thinking they're fairly recent.
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02-01-2018, 03:44 PM #220
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02-01-2018, 03:52 PM #221
Praxis Protest..just how cool is it?
Based on the base graphic, I’d say those Protests from eBay were 13/14 or 14/15.
And to an earlier question/point, the line on older versions of the current gen protests (ie: the ones Blister reviewed) was at -10, so when they say they liked them at +1, that equates to -1 on 13/14 or newer Protests. \nerding out
Some Protest stoke from a few weeks ago in Rusutsu - God, I miss that place!
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02-01-2018, 08:36 PM #222
Thanks guys,
I e-mailed the seller. Of course, he's the second owner but he thinks they're 12/13's. The good news whether they're 12/13 of a year or two later, they located the dimple very close to the current skis (-7.5 vs. -8), and we know how everyone likes their recent vintage versions mounted.
I'll look at contact points and other stuff to see how they compare against current versions, but at the end of the day, they're going at -1 to -1.5 'coz that's what the existing holes will allow ;-)
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02-01-2018, 08:43 PM #223Registered User
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-1.5 and smile.
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02-01-2018, 08:45 PM #224Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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02-01-2018, 09:32 PM #225
I vote -1.25!
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