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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    What number are yours? My set is #15. such a minute amount of camber, maybe they will flatten out after a bit.
    We saw a lot of that with EHPs, too. Some would come off the press with the tiniest bit of camber underfoot, but after a day or two it was gone.

  2. #152
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    What number are yours? My set is #15. such a minute amount of camber, maybe they will flatten out after a bit. I really do like the idea of the White Room, but consistency is key. If two people review the same ski, one person liking it while the other doesn't - that's fine. I'm sure I'll enjoy mine, but I'd prefer if they were a little closer to what yours are shaped like. Oh well! Can't wait to get them on snow!
    Sorry for the late answer - they are #84

  3. #153
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    First day on mine yesterday. Manmade with 10cm of pow on top.

    Result: I'm in løøøve!

    Extremely quick is the words that kept turning in my head. 4Frnt/Eric states that the Raven was made for variable conditions, I think they are spot on. They are not heavy enough to plow through shitty snow but they are stiff enough, stable enough and very directional/non-hookie. Did I say they were quick?

  4. #154
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    I'll be getting mine in the mail today…. debating waiting on radical ft 2's or just putting my old FT's on there, but either way you'll be hearing back from me soon….. sooooo STOKED!!!

  5. #155
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    Thought I should add, I'm new to 4frnt, bought and skied the Devastator this season too and must say the hype is lived up to for sure on very versatile skiing sticks. If I had bottomless pockets I'd grab up a Hoji this season too, as with 6" on top of a good base I was missing my 115-120 waisted skis float-ability, esp in early season. It would be nice to float and surf over a couple rocks I turned up, but overall the edge hold was way better than expected on groomed and icy spots, and they are so damn quick, pivoty, not as surfy as I thought, but still super fun and nimble with muscle. more to come

  6. #156
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    Anyone put some decent mileage on the ravens? any feedback? are they as good as I'm hoping they are? I'm more interested in how they handle variable snow. Looking at the raven over wailer 99s. Soft snow oriented ski, but looking for something that can hold an edge when things get shitty.. haven't skied any of their new stuff with reflect tech, but I've heard good things about the devastator, and new hojis.

  7. #157
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    Quote Originally Posted by M3Mike02 View Post
    Anyone put some decent mileage on the ravens? any feedback? are they as good as I'm hoping they are? I'm more interested in how they handle variable snow. Looking at the raven over wailer 99s. Soft snow oriented ski, but looking for something that can hold an edge when things get shitty.. haven't skied any of their new stuff with reflect tech, but I've heard good things about the devastator, and new hojis.
    Well I have both the W99s (Pure2) and the Ravens... I do like the Ravens more for what you describe (holding an edge on shitty snow) as they are stiffer, heavier and have a higher turn radius. For pure soft snow it's more a question of preference in terms of construction and feel. Both are lightning quick edge to edge but I don't have to think about what happens next skiing shitty snow on Ravens.

    The reflect tech on the Ravens are very mellow along what you see on some of the burly Völkls and Blizzards. Bought the Ravens because I was looking for the Renegade feel in a smaller package. Obviously I'm not talking about float in deep snow but quickness, easy release and "that special feeling" I get from skiing the Renegades.

  8. #158
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    Quote Originally Posted by superdigg View Post
    The reflect tech on the Ravens are very mellow along what you see on some of the burly Völkls and Blizzards. Bought the Ravens because I was looking for the Renegade feel in a smaller package. Obviously I'm not talking about float in deep snow but quickness, easy release and "that special feeling" I get from skiing the Renegades.
    Base-to-base side profile photo?

  9. #159
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    I love my hojis, but I'm still having issues getting the ravens as dialed.

    195hoji vs 184 ravens.

    tried 2 different mounting points (recomented and 5cm back of that. 5cm back puts the center of the raven, at the same center of 195hoji.
    ramp angle on both bindings is the same (salomon 914 vs adrenaline)
    boots the same
    tried 2 differnt tunes, both from the same store that has tuned my skied for 15 years
    tried de-tuning the tips and tails more

    I find that on pow, or groomed its fine. just the feel I'm looking for, Hoji-light. On mixed and variable, I find I can control the ski, at the end of the turn. Just feels like its getting deflected. Maybe mount is too forward (remount a bit better) Maybe the skis not detuned (did tip and tail more, now dull past the contact point)
    its as if the tip is getting deflected and I can't control it, or the tail is getting knocked around. but this is only at the end of the turn.

    maybe the dual radius sidecut is fucking with me? just about all my other skis are 30m turn radius, the raven is 23/30 (thikn the front is more, but can't 100% tell)


  10. #160
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    mntlion.. any other skis you would compare it with? I think I remember reading about hoji detuning the tips and tails. anyone know where he mounts his? recommended line? I need an a/t setup I can take to NZ and ski any condition on. I'll have another set for everyday/work (cham 107) but I'm looking for a soft snow, do everything a/t setup. I've skied wailer 99s and 112s. 99s are on the radar.. now the blizzard zero Gs are in the mix as well. I wonder if they're changing anything for next year on the ravens? I guess we'll see soon enough….

  11. #161
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    The suggested mounting point on the ski is what hoji uses on 278mm boot. I'm 287mm and like the skis back from his point so mount #1 was at this line. That's 4cm head of where the 195hoji I have is. So went back a bunch. Skis fine in 5+cm fresh. Fine railing on edge. End of a pivoted turn, I usually skid out the turn by moving my heel out (toe stays) the same way you release on a bike shoe. and this is what's fucking with me. If I pivot by toe onward seems way better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    Base-to-base side profile photo?
    Sure - why not? Ski porn is always nice BTW: Rens for comparison




  13. #163
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    190cm length available next year!

    122x102x113
    23/30 radius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judo Chop! View Post
    190cm length available next year!

    122x102x113
    23/30 radius.
    Came here to ask that, thanks!

  15. #165
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    yes, might like that more


  16. #166
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    This ski seems to have dropped off the radar lately. Anyone have any reviews after a season on them?
    "...if you're not doing a double flip cork something, skiing spines in Haines, or doing double flip cork somethings off spines in Haines, you're pretty much just gaping."

  17. #167
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    Quote Originally Posted by shafty85 View Post
    This ski seems to have dropped off the radar lately. Anyone have any reviews after a season on them?
    I almost bought a pair last year as my touring ski. But in the end I thought it was little heavy for that purpose. Ended up with a lightly used pair of dps 99 pures - the best touring ski, ever, imo.

  18. #168
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    my last year Hojis are for sale. mounted 1/5 times (re-used some holes) for small adrenalines. $400 US/$500CND


  19. #169
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    Has anyone skied the 15/16 version?

  20. #170
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    Surprisingly few reviews on these skis

  21. #171
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    Couldn't agree more about the lack of information/reviews available out there - especially given the hype when it came out (what was it, only 2 years ago now?)
    "...if you're not doing a double flip cork something, skiing spines in Haines, or doing double flip cork somethings off spines in Haines, you're pretty much just gaping."

  22. #172
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    are 14/15 and 15/16 the same ski? other then cosmetic?


  23. #173
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    Looks like minor changes. Sidewalls are what I can find.

  24. #174
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    mntlion... Didn't you have a pair of last year's?

  25. #175
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    Quote Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
    my last year Hojis are for sale. mounted 1/5 times (re-used some holes) for small adrenalines. $400 US/$500CND
    Quote Originally Posted by Live2play View Post
    mntlion... Didn't you have a pair of last year's?
    yes, you want to buy them?


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