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  1. #251
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    Armored spring crossing out on the new trail. Rebuilt the spring box and worked in a stone culvert under the trail. Rock ramp that unearthed a Pony Skeleton. My dog.
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  2. #252
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    Finished a new trail and went back to play with this log. Ramp is not quite right. The transition to the log might be beyond my skills. It's tight. But man I sure do dig this battery chainsaw.

  3. #253
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    Dig day a couple weekends back. Click image for larger version. 

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  4. #254
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    Anyone here know of resources to get training (some type of official cert.?) on the use of a SWECO trail cat in the intermountain region? My org has one and the local USFS district has one, but we both lack trained operators. Trying to coordinate some big spring work on FS land and this would go a long ways towards making it happen.

  5. #255
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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    Anyone here know of resources to get training (some type of official cert.?) on the use of a SWECO trail cat in the intermountain region? My org has one and the local USFS district has one, but we both lack trained operators. Trying to coordinate some big spring work on FS land and this would go a long ways towards making it happen.
    What's the upside to those things over a mini excavator? Seems like the mini dozer things are a lot more limited in what they can do, but I've never used one.

    Sorry, no idea as to your actual question.

  6. #256
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    What's the upside to those things over a mini excavator? Seems like the mini dozer things are a lot more limited in what they can do, but I've never used one.

    Sorry, no idea as to your actual question.
    I have no operator experience on either one, but to my untrained eye I would agree with you on the mini-ex. The SWECO was bought years ago on a grant.

    Found a guy named Tony Boone in CO that claims to certify trail dozer operators, I'll try contacting him.

  7. #257
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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    Found a guy named Tony Boone in CO that claims to certify trail dozer operators, I'll try contacting him.
    If you're looking for a guy that can teach you how to build boring smooth flow trails with excessive grade reversals, he's your man.
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    All ye punterz! Leave thine stupid heavy skis in the past, or at least in the resort category, for the age of lightweight pussy sticks is upon us! Behold! Keep up with the randocommandos on their carbon blades of shortness! Break thine tibias into spiral splinters with pintech extravagance!

  8. #258
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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    If you're looking for a guy that can teach you how to build boring smooth flow trails with excessive grade reversals, he's your man.
    Ha. Thanks for the input, I definitely don't want anymore of that around here, we have plenty.

  9. #259
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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    Ha. Thanks for the input, I definitely don't want anymore of that around here, we have plenty.
    Again, not coming from a place of experience, but that seems like it's gotta be a somewhat inherent drawback of the dozer. It's gotta be pretty hard to leave any roots or rocks in place with that machine. I could see them being faster and more efficient for building flat-ish beginner trails, but for anything where the goal is to leave things technical, or even to build more substantial berms, it seems like it'd be pretty difficult if you're only working with a blade.

  10. #260
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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    Anyone here know of resources to get training (some type of official cert.?) on the use of a SWECO trail cat in the intermountain region? My org has one and the local USFS district has one, but we both lack trained operators. Trying to coordinate some big spring work on FS land and this would go a long ways towards making it happen.
    Get on it and push dirt, that's how we used to learn how to run equipment.

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  11. #261
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    What's the upside to those things over a mini excavator? Seems like the mini dozer things are a lot more limited in what they can do, but I've never used one.
    The city ranger we were working with on a trail build a couple years ago got his hands on a sweco for part of the project. He had some prior experience running one and was able to bench in trail pretty fast with it - much faster than we could bench by hand even with a large crew. I think the sweco was limited to less steep slopes as we had to hand build in between a couple machine built sections. It also left a really wide bench. With that wider bench it'll last longer before needing maintenance but still looks like a bad haircut 3 or so seasons later.

    Recently our club rented a mini-excavator to help build some trail in a remote part of the county where we have trouble getting good volunteer turnouts. The mini-ex we got is narrower than the sweco and can build trail more precisely - it can move and place rocks and logs where desired whereas the sweco can mostly just push stuff out of the way. You have to build a little pad for stability each time the mini moves forward and there seems to be more tendency to inslope the bench which adds work for the people doing finish work. That could be related to operator skill but with the sweco it seemed easier to outslope the trail because you just had to angle the blade a bit. I think the mini ex can handle steeper terrain better than the sweco but doesn't seem to work as fast. Again that could be operator skill. I'm sure someone with lots of experience could build good trail with either machine, though I think I'd want the mini-ex where there is a lot of rock to deal with.

  12. #262
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    The last two weeks it has rained on Weds and/or Thursday. Now it's time to dig! Last weekend was the first trail day at Black Mtn to bring an unofficial trail into the system. Requires some re-routes, re-building, and rehabilitating an area that goes through a huge erosion scar.












    This weekend we were building trail near Julian for San Diego River Park Foundation that will be part of the San Diego River Trail. Got permission to use the mini-excavator for this project. One crew cut down danger trees, the other cut new tread. The machine plus myself finishing tread got through just over 300ft of new trail.










    Then went out yesterday to work on some of my own stuff. The entrance to this trail becomes a stream during heavy rain. Between that and lots of traffic it has eroded and the big rocks popping up made it unridable for most people. So I moved the stream over to the left side, built up a rock wall to keep it in place and filled in a bench above it. Then added some large rock to the entrance. It should still be challenging to ride up as there will be a couple steps and it's narrow. I had a bobcat for this job too but it wasn't very helpful.

    Before



    After



    The help


  13. #263
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    dirt is perfect for digging right now, gave this berm an exit roller in hopes of increasing speed, goal is to transition this line into more mtb friendly and then build a new expert drop in and 6-pack with steeper lips this spring for the dj kids


  14. #264
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    spent yesterday playing in dirt, chopped 1st roller in half and spread to 2nd roller, reworked berm pocket deeper, hoping to increase exit speed through rollers into jump lines


    today my forearms are cramping and few blisters on hands, not in dig shape haha

  15. #265
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    Spent quite a bit of time digging last month now that we are getting some rain almost weekly.

    First few days out were cleaning drains and digging new ones where the trail was getting cupped out. Then moved onto a couple more projects.


    Favorite time of day:



    Riders were widening this section by going around the rocks on the left. Why are riders so scared of rocks?? I planted some new ones to keep them in the middle and narrow down the trail.



    Cleaning up a rut that had formed where the drain crosses the trail. Last work here was 3 years ago.



    This section was had a rut forming. Re-contoured it and installed a drain. It's more subtle than it looks here




    Draining an infinity puddle




    Next I took on a section on another trail that was turned into an eroded mess where people created their own ride around. This is how you're meant to hit the line:



    From above. But people ride around it to the left which became rutted out.



    Eroded mess from below. The jump is only about 2ft.



    I decided to re-route the b-line with a couple berms and then fill in/cover up the eroded part



    In progress:





    Took about an hour past dark to finish connecting it and tamp the dirt. Haven't been back to ride it yet but hopefully people like it...




    Last year we came across a spot where someone chopped out a cholla cactus on Palm Canyon. There used to be one on either side of the trail which formed a chicane you had to navigate or you'd get tagged. Everyone knows this spot and everyone I talked to was bummed that this was gone. Most people get tagged there once, but then you remember it. Some douche felt it necessary to chop one of them out to straightline the trail. Not an easy chore as the thing would have required a handsaw to cut...it was beefy.



    So on our most recent ride we moved some rocks into its former place and added some cholla branches to put a bit of the chicane back. Not as much as an obstacle but I'm sure someone will still remove them. And we'll put them back.


  16. #266
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    Nice work


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  17. #267
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    More from this weekend. Went out and re-worked some turns that were starting to get rutted. Also moved a seasonal stream off another section of trail and raised the tread up to keep it dry. Really fun digging when the dirt is perfect like this! Also dug some drains on another part of the trail that is nasty clay. That part was not fun....
















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