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  1. #551
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    Not my work. From the Whistler Bike ParkName:  20200704_162137.jpeg
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  2. #552
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    what comes after that berm? ooohhhh it looks fastName:  Screenshot_20200707-194210.jpeg
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    i dont kare i carnt spell or youse punktuation properlee, im on a skiing forum

  3. #553
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    My "backyard" ride has a little pit and some kids built a drop-in thru the pit to a step-up. Conservation got a pissy, so the kids took a shovel to it and cut it down...to this...it is and always has been a steep little pit, so it can be a little jump.

    So then today this shows up to mow everything down as much as possible. Conservation commission spending their money wisely instead of cleaning up the junk cars and other shit out there.

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    Damn will it ever stop raining? Took care of more mudholes bye byeClick image for larger version. 

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  5. #555
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    Making loamers great againClick image for larger version. 

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  6. #556
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    Some channels that have been giving me some inspiration to dig around the house during the pandemic:
    Matt Jones
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXE...UWwhVhcMyXNHgg

    NR8 dirt jumps
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbb...H_hDJ8hVOh_I_w

    Built with Dirt Instagram
    https://www.instagram.com/builtwithdirt/

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    Fixing up old trail, armoring up steep fall line tracks to keep the old school feel. My back hurts. But at least the views are nice

  8. #558
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    "Back Hurts". I hear you when I saw those rocks. Was tired after a wet weekend of hiking and routefinding...

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  9. #559
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    So we had a big ass rock pile to pick from and an excavator to help load the truck, and since it's the start of a trail it's literally right off a service road. So most of the rocks 'only' had to come downhill, just be sure with your selection! Still, yarding them around and into place while perched on a steep hillside with unsure footing will definitely take it out of ya!

    I'm not as good at taking progress pics but at least I got a before and after. we armored down past the little spruce and a bit before the corner. Then brought down a bunch of dirt on top to seal it up, eventually most all the rock will show thru and be the tread. Should be a pretty damn permanent fix.

    Also one last view shot, giving the same old trail some much needed love

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  10. #560
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    ^did you guys think about throwing a water bar in there? Looks like a pretty good pitch, so wondering if it will erode around the rocks? Or maybe the water will flow over the rocks? Hard to tell in pics. Nice job though! That's damn hard work.

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    We did some work with the excavator at the top to divert any water from or coming down the road away from the trail so it won't be a large area of runoff to deal with. I did set the rocks with a little wobble, canted left then a more exaggerated tilt right to help keep you centered down the ride line and to also shed water off to one edge then the other. It will cross the trail where the some of the biggest stones are set. After a while I expect this part to be pretty much all stone once it's aged a bit. These old trails never had much thought for water runoff, so fixing them up is a definite challenge. We want to keep the old school steep feel but also need them to be able to withstand the constant barrage of riders, most death gripped to their rear brake and also not totally neuter that janky rogue trail/pirate trail feel and piss off all the jaded locals (an impossible task, I know)

    However with that said these trails of the old park went basically unmaintained for years and years. This spot in particular we may have to come in once or twice a year and fill back in some erosion damage on the edge of the ride line and maybe somewhere down the line armor the little patch in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post
    ^did you guys think about throwing a water bar in there? Looks like a pretty good pitch, so wondering if it will erode around the rocks? Or maybe the water will flow over the rocks? Hard to tell in pics. Nice job though! That's damn hard work.
    If this was San diego riders would just ride on either side of the armored tread. Rocks are scary, ya know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rip View Post
    We did some work with the excavator at the top to divert any water from or coming down the road away from the trail so it won't be a large area of runoff to deal with. I did set the rocks with a little wobble, canted left then a more exaggerated tilt right to help keep you centered down the ride line and to also shed water off to one edge then the other. It will cross the trail where the some of the biggest stones are set. After a while I expect this part to be pretty much all stone once it's aged a bit. These old trails never had much thought for water runoff, so fixing them up is a definite challenge. We want to keep the old school steep feel but also need them to be able to withstand the constant barrage of riders, most death gripped to their rear brake and also not totally neuter that janky rogue trail/pirate trail feel and piss off all the jaded locals (an impossible task, I know)


    However with that said these trails of the old park went basically unmaintained for years and years. This spot in particular we may have to come in once or twice a year and fill back in some erosion damage on the edge of the ride line and maybe somewhere down the line armor the little patch in between.
    nice

    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    If this was San diego riders would just ride on either side of the armored tread. Rocks are scary, ya know?
    doh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    If this was San diego riders would just ride on either side of the armored tread. Rocks are scary, ya know?
    That thought definitely entered my mind. What's that old saying? Jerry proof something and the world builds a better jerry

    One of the most frustrating/addicting things to me about building is that no matter what you 'want' people to do, there is always just one line that forms.. and if people are cutting rogue trail.. ya done fucked up somewhere. How do you build it so your way is 'the way'? That's the challenge.

    We do have two other rock roll steep sections like this already, so it shouldn't catch people too off guard. tho neither are as friendly as this one, with the stones faced up to the tread and the ride line pretty smooth. The rocks don't totally fill the V ditch that they replaced so it's still the natural low spot. I think what we have to out advantage is how old and rode in these trails are, 'the way' has already been beaten in. One other thing I can share that in my opinion really helps with builds like this, at least for our mineral dirt here in the San Juan, is build as much as you can with the largest materials you have, big stones, then as you work down the trail work smaller rocks and stones into the gaps, in steeps they just naturally fall into place, then as you come thru with dirt separate it into gravel and lastly the fines and if you do it that way everything binds together super solid and also helps a ton with
    drainage.

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    More dumbing down mudholesClick image for larger version. 

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    That green just blows my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panchosdad View Post
    That green just blows my mind.
    I know. We're pretty lush in New England, but that's a different level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post
    I know. We're pretty lush in New England, but that's a different level.
    Ferns, moss, duff, and rotted wood make for excellent falling conditions too haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    Ferns, moss, duff, and rotted wood make for excellent falling conditions too haha!
    You know it. I've been doing rake and rides through the forest this year and as it beds in then we reshape the trail.

    That's how Sharon created this trail we worked on which she called Greenland. Since then there's Iceland, Cambodia and others around this particularly green forest

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    Moved the boulder (red X pic) out of the middle of this new line. 6' breaker bar and gravity did all the work.

    Gaining on the new trail. The landowner called the new trail "gnarly" and is requesting B lines. There's only so much we can do with a valley for terrain.

    Looking down. Rides nice and smooth.

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    Fish on!!
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    Last week, place giant rocks in the tread. This week, remove giant rocks from the tread.

    Such is life

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    Berm starting to take it's shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rip View Post

    One of the most frustrating/addicting things to me about building is that no matter what you 'want' people to do, there is always just one line that forms.. and if people are cutting rogue trail.. ya done fucked up somewhere. How do you build it so your way is 'the way'? That's the challenge.
    manipulating human behavior is what i enjoy most about trailbuilding... idk what that says about me though haha

    here is my most recent manipulation attempt
    this is the end of a small jump line, the intent was to turn right, the riders decided instead to go up and over the feature and into the berm on the other side, which is the end of a separate jump line, these lines should not merge... and i got sick of watching close calls with kiddos

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    the vision in my mind, open up exit corner before hand wider to the right

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    then move the pile of dirt 5ft to the right and make a wedge roller with small hip option

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    reworked berm exit

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    reworked roller

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    took a solid day of solo shoveling, and a few days of finish work, but so far its worked and everyone seems happy with the change

    nice to see the stoke in this thread staying active!

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    Quote Originally Posted by forty View Post
    manipulating human behavior is what i enjoy most about trailbuilding... idk what that says about me though haha
    For sure, and with a completely new trail design it’s like you are programming an experience. That can hopefully be replicated over and over. So many factors like terrain and weather that get in your way and it never comes out ‘perfect’ but when it does come together and you get it right it Goddamn does it feel good.

    Nice work on the reroute, that is not a minuscule amount of dirt to move by hand
    ...tricks deserve applause, style deserves respect

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    Sometimes building takes twice as long as expected. This one boulder appeared like we'd be able to move it fairly quick and it ended up taking forever! Buried way deep and wedged by other buried deep boulders. Finally got it and the backside was flat so now it's a sidewalk. Gaining.

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    As much as I like building trails, it's really annoying when riding them that my mind focuses on fixing the "shit" instead of enjoying the ride. Today I fixed a corner that has sucked ever since I first made it. Instead of being annoyed, I'll be happy on this turn now. Yeah! #mentalissues

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