May Day protest

[GeezerSteve]

Because if they didn't, they wouldn't be allowed back into their special social circles of people that constantly need something to fight. Specially with no plan on what to do.

Ah, don't be so hard on your rightwingnut teabagger gunnut anti-choice butt bros

[Hugh Conway]

I dunno. Maybe not entirely, but seems the Amish and other somewhat self-contained colonies do a FAR better job than these hypocritical retards.

Of putting on a veneer that fools the outsiders while jumping through some rather absurd hoops to fulfill a flexible doctrine that manages to be quite strict as well.

[PNWbrit]

Is using Amish in an argument on the web about anarchy a half-Godwin?

[Hugh Conway]

You've got to go Mennonite for the full Godwin?

[Tippster]

^ ^ ^ good one

Who is "they?" The May Day tradition since 1889 has involved demonstrations by the powerless working class against the elite and powerful property class. Although I, like everyone else, am unable to ascertain the subjective motivations of each of the protesters, it's a fair guess that many, probably most, and very possible the vast majority, of them intended to demonstrate against the concentration of power and wealth into an elite class of multi-national corporations and the handful of families that control those entities. God help us if that sort of civil disobedience goes away because it is a necessary part of democracy.

Well, I was aiming my comment at the UofO "Anarchists." They seem to think "shit's fucked up, lets make it more fucked up" as if that would actually change anything. Anarchism has been around for a long time and has changed absolutely nothing. The whole point of Anarchy is to have no social order - you're on your own. That doesn't address income inequality, poor working conditions, or basically anything regarding ordered society. Changing social/fiscal inequality? That's for the Communists/Leftists.

[MontuckyFried]

The whole point of Anarchy is to have no social order - you're on your own. That doesn't address income inequality, poor working conditions, or basically anything regarding ordered society.

Precisely. Because anarchy, then mob-rule, then warlords and vicious street gangs is TOTALLY going to help address income inequality and poor working conditions. Yeah, that makes perfect sense!

[Hugh Conway]

Well, I was aiming my comment at the UofO "Anarchists." They seem to think "shit's fucked up, lets make it more fucked up" as if that would actually change anything. Anarchism has been around for a long time and has changed absolutely nothing. The whole point of Anarchy is to have no social order - you're on your own. That doesn't address income inequality, poor working conditions, or basically anything regarding ordered society. Changing social/fiscal inequality? That's for the Communists/Leftists.

Eh? Historically plenty of the "anarchists" were more about upending the established order and replacing it with something different (anarcho-communists, anarcho-socialists) instead of destroying everything and producing a nihilistic anarchy

[GeezerSteve]

Anarchy is the essential premise of the libertarian movement, no? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

[PNWbrit]

Anarchy is essential premise of the libertarian movement, no?

They must be at least somewhat close on Austin's spectrum?

[GeezerSteve]

[Jer]

Does Big Steve have a hammer up his ass yet again???

[GeezerSteve]

Does Big Steve have a hammer up his ass yet again???

Fantasizing again, eh?

[Tippster]

Eh? Historically plenty of the "anarchists" were more about upending the established order and replacing it with something different (anarcho-communists, anarcho-socialists) instead of destroying everything and producing a nihilistic anarchy

Sure it split into schools of thought in the early 19th Century, mainly in academia tho.

Anarchy is the essential premise of the libertarian movement, no? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

QED. Again, how would that address any of our social/fiscal ills? Anarchy is elevating the sense of self over the sense of society. Kinda masturbatory, no?

[Hugh Conway]

Sure it split into schools of thought in the early 19th Century, mainly in academia tho.

Hardly. Plenty of the activists executed as "anarchists" in the US for agitation/violence/beingsetthefuckup were anarcho-socialists or anarcho-communists.

[Chainsaw_Willie]

Does Big Steve have a hammer up his ass yet again???

I dunno about the hammer, but he's definitely playing the disingenuous absolutist game.

thinking that smashing windows, burning cars (they didn't get that far this time, but have in the past), and throwing rocks at cops is stupid is not the same as thinking that people shouldn't be protesting the concentration of wealth into fewer hands and growing social inequality.

Whatever their message is or was, it got lost in the sensationalism of their actions.

On a different note - make your own clothes? Calling out protesters for wearing what's available? WTF? all that stuff could have been bought at a thrift store for pennies on the dollar, with none of the proceeds going to the manufacturers.

[GeezerSteve]

smashing windows, burning cars (they didn't get that far this time, but have in the past), and throwing rocks at cops

17 people were arrested for that, yet hundreds of people protested peacefully. But all of them are the evil "they" to the TGR Archie Bunkerists. Gawd, if only those anarchists would get jobs and become good little worker-consumers.

[Hugh Conway]

Gawd, if only those anarchists would get jobs and become good little worker-consumers.

eesh man, the outdoor industry elite need some poor slobs to hawk "the Dream" to, they can't fund the little circle jerk lifestyle industry with just themselves, they need outside suckers to hawk shit to and feel superior of

[Chainsaw_Willie]

Well, to be clear, I have only been talking about the idiots participating in mayhem. I have no beef with and actually applaud peaceful protesters, no matter how disruptive they may be.

There were two large protests that day. The one early in the day was peaceful and was organized by an immigrant rights organization.

The second march which was loosely organized and widely known as the one the anarchists would be involved in would likely have devolved into an orgy of destruction like it did last year if the cops hadn't clamped down on it like they did. If there were hundreds of people involved in the second protest who wanted nothing to do with violence and destruction, why did they choose to join a protest where it was almost guaranteed?

[Tippster]

Well, to be clear, I have only been talking about the idiots participating in mayhem. I have no beef with and actually applaud peaceful protesters, no matter how disruptive they may be.

Pretty sure we all agree on that one.

[jfost]

ANARCHY RALLY!!!! DOWN WITH RULES AND CONVENTIONS!!!

(meet tomorrow by the statue at 9am sharp and everyone wear the same black shirt and check in with the protest leader James)

[philth]

I remember hearing such palaver when people were protesting segregation and the Viet Nam war. So, are you certain that each of those protesters was motivated by nothing more than a desire for attention? Are you certain that not one of them was motivated by their perception of undue concentration of wealth and power into fewer and fewer hands?

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Who is "they?" The May Day tradition since 1889 has involved demonstrations by the powerless working class against the elite and powerful property class. Although I, like everyone else, am unable to ascertain the subjective motivations of each of the protesters, it's a fair guess that many, probably most, and very possible the vast majority, of them intended to demonstrate against the concentration of power and wealth into an elite class of multi-national corporations and the handful of families that control those entities. God help us if that sort of civil disobedience goes away because it is a necessary part of democracy.

Dude, your overwordy cliche fuckspeak is hilarious. I was was thinking this was all cut and paste from some Workers World Party factbook at first but I realized it was just you. You are fucking gold bro.

[BCJC]

Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw_Willie View Post
Well, to be clear, I have only been talking about the idiots participating in mayhem. I have no beef with and actually applaud peaceful protesters, no matter how disruptive they may be.

Pretty sure we all agree on that one.

except the montreal police
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...n-arrests.html

[Ripzalot]

Who is "they?" The May Day tradition since 1889 has involved demonstrations by the powerless working class against the elite and powerful property class. Although I, like everyone else, am unable to ascertain the subjective motivations of each of the protesters, it's a fair guess that many, probably most, and very possible the vast majority, of them intended to demonstrate against the concentration of power and wealth into an elite class of multi-national corporations and the handful of families that control those entities. God help us if that sort of civil disobedience goes away because it is a necessary part of democracy.

Bwah! I got friends here in Switz, avowed communists, who believe this shit and take mayday seriously. I had this conversation with them a few years back. They were pretty thick too.

Anyways, i imagine this to be the protestors themesong...