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  1. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougW View Post
    wouldn't a PX15 have the same toe? though checking site don't seem to market P15s or PX 15s anymore
    No. The PX toe and heel are made purely of bad ideas and foregone conclusions and should only be used as paper weights, and even then they'll prerelease your papers in a stiff breeze.
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    not enough nun fisters in that community

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    Am I the only one who thinks it's odd that the OP is 5'6" and wears a size 28 boot?

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    OP is in about the 20th percentile for height and the 65th percentile for boot size. Happens.

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    What can I say, I wear big gloves too, if you know what I mean...

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    I weight 145 and ski a 8 din as well and I have fks 140s. I haven't had them long but no durability issues of course.
    The 18 does have a better toe piece. It has vertical release and is mostly metal but the 14 still has the pivot heel which is awesome and the toe piece is still really good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
    No. The PX toe and heel are made purely of bad ideas and foregone conclusions and should only be used as paper weights, and even then they'll prerelease your papers in a stiff breeze.
    In my experience with the Rossi axial 12 they've been fine. They're no fks but a great intermediate binding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
    No. The PX toe and heel are made purely of bad ideas and foregone conclusions and should only be used as paper weights, and even then they'll prerelease your papers in a stiff breeze.
    are you sure on the toes, the pX 15 and px18 look exactly the same as the fks18 (one piece casting )
    and on the look site they have two types of toes, pivot/fks or dual action
    though you don't seem to get the pivot toe with a fks 14 set.
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    All metal toes are identical px15/px18/p15/p18/fks185/fks155

    The plastic toes did change between the p14 and px14 but seemed to me it was purely cosmetic and the toes functioned no different. Never heard of these bad px toes before.
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  9. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwat View Post
    All metal toes are identical px15/px18/p15/p18/fks185/fks155

    The plastic toes did change between the p14 and px14 but seemed to me it was purely cosmetic and the toes functioned no different. Never heard of these bad px toes before.
    Agree. I've skied the 10 DIN version of the plastic toes since the Powmag days on some reasonably rowdy lines (e.g. everywhere in Las Lenas) and never had a single issue.

    Keep in mind I'm someone who refuses to ski Fritschis because they have near-zero torsional stiffness and have ejected me in no-fall zones (where I was extremely lucky to not pinball all the way down). If you weigh less than I do (which OP does) the plastic toe isn't your problem.

    Frankly, most of people wanting metal toepieces is because they kick the toepiece over and over to scrape the snow off their boot. IMHO. Or because they use bindings so old they're no longer indemnified, which isn't the case with the PX.

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    I'm close to the OP's size @142lbs 5'6.5"/295 BSL, and currently use a Look Pivot 14 set at 5.5 DIN.

    For the real possibility of retention/release (elasticity), being more optimum closer to the center of the bindings DIN range, i would've preferred the binding to go lower then 5 DIN. It doesn't, so not much i could do other then going with something else. Obviously, i didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .lloydchristmas View Post
    I weight 145 and ski a 8 din as well and I have fks 140s. I haven't had them long but no durability issues of course.
    The 18 does have a better toe piece. It has vertical release and is mostly metal but the 14 still has the pivot heel which is awesome and the toe piece is still really good.
    Don't think that is right, p18 toe all metal but don't think it has vertical release, the P14 and below do have ~ vertical release

    pivot toe P15 all metalFour points of contact on the boot provide maximum power transmission

    High vertical and lateral elastic travel provides shock absorption and reduces inadvertent release

    40mm lateral travel

    72mm AFD reduces friction during release

    Low ramp angle: 0.0 Pivot 180 / 0.5 Pivot 140

    All-metal reinforced housing increases binding integrity

    Wide mounting zone for better contact with wide skis

    PX14/FKS 14 toe not all metal, multi part housing
    FULL DRIVE / DUAL ACTION

    Four points of contact with the boot provide maximum power transmission

    180 degree multi-directional release capabilities aid release

    High vertical and lateral elastic travel provides shock absorption and reduces inadvertent release

    45mm lateral travel

    Reinforced housing increases binding integrity

    Wide mounting zone for better contact with wide skis

    from http://www.look-bindings.com/CG/CA/t...l-manuals.html

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    It's been covered in another thread and answered multiple times by Look/Rossignol, the P18 toes DO have full, multidirectional release, just like other lower DIN toes, they simply release using a different mechanism.


    Quote Originally Posted by DougW View Post
    Don't think that is right, p18 toe all metal but don't think it has vertical release, the P14 and below do have ~ vertical release

    pivot toe P15 all metalFour points of contact on the boot provide maximum power transmission

    High vertical and lateral elastic travel provides shock absorption and reduces inadvertent release

    40mm lateral travel

    72mm AFD reduces friction during release

    Low ramp angle: 0.0 Pivot 180 / 0.5 Pivot 140

    All-metal reinforced housing increases binding integrity

    Wide mounting zone for better contact with wide skis

    PX14/FKS 14 toe not all metal, multi part housing
    FULL DRIVE / DUAL ACTION

    Four points of contact with the boot provide maximum power transmission

    180 degree multi-directional release capabilities aid release

    High vertical and lateral elastic travel provides shock absorption and reduces inadvertent release

    45mm lateral travel

    Reinforced housing increases binding integrity

    Wide mounting zone for better contact with wide skis

    from http://www.look-bindings.com/CG/CA/t...l-manuals.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post
    It's been covered in another thread and answered multiple times by Look/Rossignol, the P18 toes DO have full, multidirectional release, just like other lower DIN toes, they simply release using a different mechanism.
    And to complete the repeat answer, it has a significantly beefier spring for vertical release, to allow for maching/landing in ways that would cause the 14 to release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beyond View Post
    And to complete the repeat answer, it has a significantly beefier spring for vertical release, to allow for maching/landing in ways that would cause the 14 to release.
    Or disintegrate.
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    FKS/Pivot 18 FTW.
    Fuck that plastic mang, plus you'll look way more core with the extra din range

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    Reviving an old thread here:

    I ski Pivots at 9 DIN on all of my skis (powder down to park). I have a pair of P18s on the way, and through all of my research it seems that running 9 DIN on the 18s should be fine. But all of those answers are on ancient threads like this one. Any info on this?

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    Alpine Bindings for Smaller Folks: Pivot 14 vs. 18

    Quote Originally Posted by Jvhowube View Post
    Reviving an old thread here:

    I ski Pivots at 9 DIN on all of my skis (powder down to park). I have a pair of P18s on the way, and through all of my research it seems that running 9 DIN on the 18s should be fine. But all of those answers are on ancient threads like this one. Any info on this?
    Its fine.......but the Pivot15 is coming back next year to probably address this question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC. View Post
    It’s fine.......but the Pivot15 is coming back next year to probably address this question.
    Yah I wish I were mounting up these skis next year with P15s ... But here I am. Thanks tho. Just really wanted the full metal to ensure toe longevity.

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    Alpine Bindings for Smaller Folks: Pivot 14 vs. 18

    Yep...Id just stick with the P18....gold standard. Your 9 DIN is not a problem. Put P15 on your next pair of sticks.

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