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    Quote Originally Posted by snoqpass View Post
    Why does Critical Race Theory freak people out? Does looking at racism through a different viewpoint really scare you? Racism has been a part of our nations history wether you like it or not learning about it shouldnít be banned like some people have tried
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    Two calls so far today from callers in a thick accent that I can only guess as South Asian. It's regarding 'open enrollment'. JFC.

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    It took me 13 separate calls to get someone to cancel two Viasat internet accounts. The Final Boss didnít understand what I was trying to accomplish, and only managed to cancel one (I think ), but after wasting my morning, Iíll take it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoqpass View Post
    Why does Critical Race Theory freak people out? Does looking at racism through a different viewpoint really scare you? Racism has been a part of our nations history wether you like it or not learning about it shouldnít be banned like some people have tried
    Except that is not exactly what CRT is.

    Also, racism is prevalent all over the world and is not just whites against people of color. I've worked in manufacturing for years with very diverse work forces. People of all races hate other races, not all of course, but they dislike them because they are different races. It's the human race, not just whites in America. Evil shit happened throughout history and still happens today, but damned if I am apologizing for what some assholes did 200 years ago or today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JongDoe View Post
    Except that is not exactly what CRT is.

    Also, racism is prevalent all over the world and is not just whites against people of color. I've worked in manufacturing for years with very diverse work forces. People of all races hate other races, not all of course, but they dislike them because they are different races. It's the human race, not just whites in America. Evil shit happened throughout history and still happens today, but damned if I am apologizing for what some assholes did 200 years ago or today.
    Pretty clear itís you that doesnít understand what critical race theory is exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by JongDoe View Post
    Except that is not exactly what CRT is.

    Also, racism is prevalent all over the world and is not just whites against people of color. I've worked in manufacturing for years with very diverse work forces. People of all races hate other races, not all of course, but they dislike them because they are different races. It's the human race, not just whites in America. Evil shit happened throughout history and still happens today, but damned if I am apologizing for what some assholes did 200 years ago or today.
    And this is why we need CRT. ^^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcski View Post
    Pretty clear it’s you that doesn’t understand what critical race theory is exactly
    Could be. If so I have no problem owning up to it. I guess a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

    Edited: I see what CRT is supposed to be and don't have a problem with that. The problem is that is not what is being taught in many schools. Examples are below and this is what i have heard is happening and what people are up in arms about. I haven't seen it myself, so ... Apologies for my ignorance or misstatement.

    A recent poll by the advocacy group Parents Defending Education claimed some schools were teaching that “white people are inherently privileged, while Black and other people of color are inherently oppressed and victimized”; that “achieving racial justice and equality between racial groups requires discriminating against people based on their whiteness”

    Opponents fear that CRT admonishes all white people for being oppressors while classifying all Black people as hopelessly oppressed victims. These fears have spurred school boards and state legislatures from Tennessee to Idaho to ban teachings about racism in classrooms. However, there is a fundamental problem: these narratives about CRT are gross exaggerations of the theoretical framework.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoqpass View Post
    Why does Critical Race Theory freak people out? Does looking at racism through a different viewpoint really scare you? Racism has been a part of our nations history wether you like it or not learning about it shouldnít be banned like some people have tried
    My understanding of the essence of CRT is that it lumps white people in to an "oppressor" group and everyone else in to the "oppressed" group. I know this is grossly oversimplified, but that's what happens at a children's curriculum level. Please tell me if this is incorrect.

    I don't agree with teaching some children that they are oppressors and other children that they are oppressed.

    I do support teaching our children the true history of oppression in this nation and how to recognize/stand against it. But to teach them they are part of the problem isn't helpful imo.

    I know, spoken like a true oppressor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JongDoe View Post

    “white people are inherently privileged, while Black and other people of color are inherently oppressed and victimized”; that “achieving racial justice and equality between racial groups requires discriminating against people based on their whiteness”.
    The first statement is true.

    The second statement does not sound like any CRT I've read.

    I'm very leery of any group named Parents Defending Education.
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    Re: CRT.
    *Every single* argument I've ever heard against CRT starts with a straw-man argument. (Something like: "They're teaching our kids to hate themselves, and that the nation should be run by the black panther party and Muslims and communists!" So much to unpack right there, eh!? Who is "our" kids, hmmm?)
    The rest of the discussion is pointless, unless the person using the straw-man argument is willing to admit they are using (intentionally or not) a fabricated argument.

    I suppose there's a person, somewhere, making some cogent argument against the way we teach about racism, but I'm afraid I've never ever heard it.

    Kind of the same way that I'm sure there's some cogent argument in some corner case where a Covid vaccine might be less valuable. But again, I've never, EVER, heard anyone make a cogent argument like that. It's always bat-shit insane crazy drool, that's the equivalent of arguing that the tooth fairy exists. (Like: "I don't want my teenager to get the covid vax because I'm worried about carditis." Response: "Ah, have you considered what the risk of carditis is from getting Covid, to name a single risk?" Sounds a lot like; I'm worried about car crashes, so I'm going to leap out of this car at freeway speeds, because I think it will save me from a crash!)

    In the whole, it tends to make me, nearly instantly, discount the intellectual honesty of anyone starting to make one of those arguments.

    I've just never seen ANYONE make an argument (in those two realms) that isn't, at best, totally misguided and lacking in facts; believing factually crazy stuff - or at worst, being completely intellectually dishonest and intentionally devoid of any common definition of facts (Unwittingly believing BS, or "I'm gonna make shit up", completely knowing it's total bull-shit.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    The first statement is true.

    The second statement does not sound like any CRT I've read.

    I'm very leery of any group named Parents Defending Education.
    This

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    CRT freaks people out because certain politicians want to use it to freak people out, just like the decided to make "right to life" an issue in the 70's. It's a wedge issue the actual facts of which make no difference to the politicians blabbering about it. The don't understand what it is and don't care.

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    The idea that there are systemic social and political constructs, purposefully or organically created, that disadvantage people of color is not in any way a new concept. And itís obviously true. Thatís at the root of critical race theory.

    I canít see how anyone can really factually question that. Nor do I see a way that will harm kids if they learn about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EWG View Post
    The idea that there are systemic social and political constructs, purposefully or organically created, that disadvantage people of color is not in any way a new concept. And itís obviously true. Thatís at the root of critical race theory.

    I canít see how anyone can really factually question that. Nor do I see a way that will harm kids if they learn about it.


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    It harms the parents when the kids come home & say ďthatís what YOU doĒ

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    Quote Originally Posted by ::: ::: View Post
    It harms the parents when the kids come home & say “that’s what YOU do”
    Whatever it is they're teaching your kids it's not critical race theory. The point of CRT is that racism is built into the structure of our society and is not dependent on individual racist acts by individual racist theories. (Not that those don't exist.)

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    Corporate re-orgs. I've seen this happen sooooo many times at work - my job never changes, just the people not fixing any problems are different.
    No fucking shit.
    Or when you can tell a new team or the next nepotistic hire reimplement a program thinking it's some hot new shit when it didn't even work the first time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by waveshello View Post
    My understanding of the essence of CRT is that it lumps white people in to an "oppressor" group and everyone else in to the "oppressed" group. I know this is grossly oversimplified, but that's what happens at a children's curriculum level. Please tell me if this is incorrect.
    as usual, NPR has clear and concise coverage of the issue
    https://www.npr.org/2021/06/20/10084...al-race-theory

    My understanding is that CRT is an academic legal term and the field looks at how legal infrastructure carries an inherent bias against minorities.

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    Car dealers being so cocky these days. So there's finally a vehicle my wife and I are interested in. 2022 Civic hatch with the 6MT. Been talking to a salesman for a few weeks who I told to give me a shout when the hatch's become available. I told him originally I'm only interested in it if it has 3 pedals. First hatch comes on to the lot (CVT of course but NFW) so he gives me a shout to at least let me know they're out. Cool. I ask him about ordering one in manual flavor so he talks to his manager then gets back to me telling me there's no such thing and if I'd be interested in a blatantly overpriced 2019 Si. No. I literally had to walk him through Honda's website to get him to see the builder where yes, you can order one with a manual. He's like "Oh. I better tell my manager. Let me call you back." Calls back and is like "So with a $500 deposit, we can try and snag you one if it comes in, but with the market the way it is, it won't be MSRP." I'm like "WTF are you talking about? I'm willing to pay what the window sticker says, but not more than that." He gets back to me like "Uhh, can we meet somewhere in the middle? Like 3K over MSRP?" Uhhh, what? You guys were gonna try and screw me for 6K over? That would've been like a 30% increase. GFY. I told him I'll wait til shit gets back to normal before ever paying MORE than retail. Screw that. I'm out. Especially when there's like 12 other dealers I can check out. They might also say the same thing but I refuse to play games like that. Perhaps I should stick to geriatric Euro jalopies that nobody else wants (for good reason). Haha.

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